A few ideas on how to improve OW training

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DukeAMO, I think your first couple suggestions files under buying equipment to solve a skill issue.

Rather than loading divers with more equipment to solve buddy loss, focus on improving their skills. Specifically for this problem: diver awareness, diver water comfort, and buddy contact.
Buddy contact btw, isn't just arms touching distance. It's also knowing where your buddy is located, having a gist of how they're feeling, and staying within eyeshot of them. Sometimes we (dive professionals) oversimplify it by saying "stay within touching distance".

Hm... I would not count teaching people how to get others' attention underwater as an equipment purchase issue at all. You need *something* to make a sound. Your buddy's not *always* going to be looking at you. Maybe you already have something that will work. (Tank bangers, BTW, are useless because they always get left behind on the empty tanks. I learned that one the hard way.)

As for the tank lights, I just think it might make life easier. In our AOW class, you could line up a few divers and it would take me a close look to recognize my own husband, because a lot of people had almost identical gear - black wetsuits with hoods, and blue fins. I usually identified him by his blue snorkel and orange wrist computer. I couldn't identify the 3rd buddy that was added to our group unless I could see the thin color band around her mask. It just makes it difficult to look around the group and see if your buddy/buddies are where you expect them to be.

I'm well aware that we still need to get better at swimming in formation - that's why I brought it up! But in the hoops course, where you have to go through one at a time, and you're focusing on the hoop for a minute... that was enough time for me to lose track of my buddies and have to figure out which ones they were again.

None of this should be a requirement, IMHO. I just think it could make life easier.
 
I think the instructors need to put something in perspective, versus what us "newbies" (to you) we are, those newly certified - less than 100 dives.

Stuff like the reference story - scares the CRAP out of us - that's why we react. We still have fresh memories of sheer terror that we had to overcome, remember our training, do the breathing mantra...

... and most important! Our total devotion and trust to our instructor! They are someone we befriend and will remember our entire lifetimes.

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As a relatively "new" diver with various types of dives under his belt...

I'm personally against the "deep" dives, my buddy/fiancé also agrees. They seem designed to use up air faster so the cattle boats can process more people. Below 60' I've not once seen anything at all interesting / unique enough to warrant the deep dive.

In fact our dives last March in Cayman islands off 7mb, I specifically asked for both dives to be non-deep. When I feel I'm AOW material, twice as many dives, then perhaps I'll want to snoop deeper.

My opinions are from a 'tropical instructor' and this is my wish list.

I would like to see a re-think on the (PADI) Scuba Diver-OW-AOW requirements and their requirements and limits- especially related to depth.
 
(Tank bangers, BTW, are useless because they always get left behind on the empty tanks. I learned that one the hard way.)

IMO - tank bangers are useless because they get overused ... and eventually people tune them out in self-defense.

What g1138 is referring to is awareness ... and in scuba diving, it's a developed skill, but one that often doesn't get emphasized sufficiently.

Our primary feedback loop for knowing what's going on around us is our vision. Put someone on scuba gear and put them underwater and not only does distance get limited, but placing a scuba mask on your face also removed your peripheral vision ... and so in order to see what you're used to seeing you have to learn a new behavior ... that of turning your head from side to side in order to see what you're used to seeing in your peripheral vision. People only learn this behavior if they're told they need to learn it ... and even then, because we're not used to it, we frequently compensate by "assuming" ... that our buddy is where we expect them to be, for example. Tank bangers aren't necessary for the diver who has developed the habit of looking around, and periodically establishing eye contact with their dive buddy. Nor are they needed for the dive buddy who "swims to be seen" ... in other words, positioning yourself in a manner that allows your buddy to see you easily by simply turning their head in your direction. Tank bangers are a substitute for skills that divers have either never been introduced to, or have decided aren't important enough to put effort into developing.

Communication relies less on equipment than it does on technique and attitude ... the latter being to think of the dive as "our" dive rather than "my" dive. That attitude establishes the basis for a buddy relationship, and makes learning and applying buddy skills possible ... not to mention significantly less effort. Granted, it's an acquired skill ... which means that the new diver should not be expected to have achieved it to a high degree, just as they are not expected to have developed their other skills to a high degree. But they should have established, as part of their basic training, the means by which to learn and hone the skill through repeated application during dives. Relying on lights and tank bangers reduces the motivation to learn these skills ... which can serve you reasonable under certain conditions, but always come with a price. In many instances, the price is simply that you won't be motivated to improve your skills because you have a substitute that serves the need. But when the substitute either fails or is inappropriate to the circumstances, you then don't have the skills to fall back on.

Your eyes, behavior, and brain will do far more for you than bangers and lights ever will ... because they're adaptable to an almost infinite variation of circumstances, while the equipment is only applicable to certain types of diving. Sure, it's more effort ... but so was learning how to walk, and look at how much thought you put into doing that these days. Equipment should always be viewed as an enhancement to your skills ... not a substitute for them. Good buddy skills are perhaps the most important skills you can learn as a new diver, and unfortunately, one of the most overlooked in a significant percentage of OW classes.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
how about don't take students in low viz, and if that is not an option then change the certification from OW to M(uck)W :p

A wise instructor will always refuse to do a certification dive when the visibility is too poor.

The problem is, what one person thinks is visibility that should end a dive is considered good visibility by someone else. People whose total experience is in clear tropical waters will be shocked at that other people dive in regularly and never give it a second thought. In some dive locations that are heavily used for instruction, the visibility never gets as good as some people might consider too poor for instruction.
 
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A wise instructor will always refuse to do a certification dive when the visibility is too poor.

The problem is, what one person thinks is visibility that should end a dive is considered good visibility by someone else. People whose total experience is in clear tropical waters will be shocked at that other people dive in regularly and never give it a second thought. In some dive locations that are heavily used for instruction, the visibility never gets as good as some people might consider too poor for instruction.

Yup, my wife refuses to dive where we live. According to to her, 5 to 15 feet vis is not enough (jeesh, what does one need?). Of course then she is disappointed when we go traveling and the visibility is "limited" to 40 or 50 feet. I on the other hand am ecstatic!

We train were we have to and thus work out strategies to deal with that. Besides, if your diving is going to be in those conditions, you need to learn how to deal with it.

Bill
 
I removed my rant because I didn't want to do a Passive-Agressive post.

Instructors do an exceptional job for a small pay, putting their own lives at risk every time, wearing out expensive equipment.

Just keep in mind that stories like the one reference above can scare the crap out of us (new divers). That provokes us into posting WTH? style posts.
 
Bob, a high spot in even your usual track record of superb posts!

My dear friend HBDiveGirl says, "Dive to stay found." It solves a lot of problems.
 
I removed my rant because I didn't want to do a Passive-Agressive post.

Instructors do an exceptional job for a small pay, putting their own lives at risk every time, wearing out expensive equipment.

Just keep in mind that stories like the one reference above can scare the crap out of us (new divers). That provokes us into posting WTH? style posts.

... what story are you referring to?

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
For the motivated diver I don't think it's that hard to stay in visual contact with your buddy if that is your objective. That sometimes means you give up something else for instance looking at a fish as your buddy swims away. I often dive with buddies that are more than happy to dive solo. I recognize under those conditions it's my obligation to stick with them if I want to remain a buddy pair. Sometimes that means I don't get as many photo shots of a particular subject as I would like but I have prioritized diving with a buddy over other interests.
 

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