When do you put the weight belt on?

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I dive wet using a jacket-style BC with integrated weight pockets. I was at the quarry recently and was observing a class of teenagers. As they were gearing up the instructor reminded them that weight belts go on first (i.e. before the BCD's). This seems backwards to me. Back in '74 when I first got certified I was taught that the weight belt is the LAST thing to go on. The reason being if you have to ditch your weights the belt will not be caught under something and will simply fall off once it is unbuckled. Can someone explain why this is done?

Putting the weight belt on last is exactly what I was taught in 1970 and for the same reason. That reason is still 100% valid today though most training agencies barely even cover dropping your weight belt in an emergency, at best it is mentioned once or twice during the course and none that I know of practice it. Look through the accidents section on SB and you will see that most of the divers who are found dead are still wearing a weight belt. If you are found dead wearing a weight belt it is because you were an idiot and it cost you your life. Something this simple and basic should not even be up for discussion, it should be common knowledge and practice for every diver. But the reality is that people will spend endless hours talking about and working on holding a hover or sending up a SMB and ignore something simple that will save their A$$.
 
New divers tend to be nervous and move around a lot. Many, including some more experienced divers swim with their hands. Once they get comfortable and learn better techniques they will lose some of the lead.
They are also overweighted in OW as standard training (in most cases) and they think that is the way they should be weighted all the time.
I did the same thing for a few dives out of OW because I figured the instructor was the pro. Little did I know, the way we were weighted was just a convenience for them to get us planted on the bottom to do skills. We were never de-briefed.

There's no rule that says you have to be weighted so that when you dump air you drop like a rock so you can do a feet first decent. It's OK to dump air and still be floating on the surface, you can pitch forward and decend head first if that's what it takes to get down. Beginners many times think that they have to be weighted enough that they can drop on their own, you don't.
The extremely valuable time I spent freediving before scuba taught me this.
The big test is if you can hold a stop at 15 feet at the end of the dive with a near empty tank and no air in your BC. Everything else is just coincidental and revolves around this one principle,...that is if you want to be weighted as perfectly as possible.

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Putting the weight belt on last is exactly what I was taught in 1970 and for the same reason. That reason is still 100% valid today though most training agencies barely even cover dropping your weight belt in an emergency, at best it is mentioned once or twice during the course and none that I know of practice it. Look through the accidents section on SB and you will see that most of the divers who are found dead are still wearing a weight belt. If you are found dead wearing a weight belt it is because you were an idiot and it cost you your life. Something this simple and basic should not even be up for discussion, it should be common knowledge and practice for every diver. But the reality is that people will spend endless hours talking about and working on holding a hover or sending up a SMB and ignore something simple that will save their A$$.
Dropping the weightbelt while diving with no BC was/is the way to establish positive buoyancy and was/is the first thing taught.
Diving with a BC originally was no different from no BC diving in weighting or style, the only difference was you had a way to compensate at depth.
Sometimes when I dive with no BC some smarty has to ask just how I plan to get to the surface and stay floating without a BC? I tell them to look at a freediver and show me their BC......idiots
And of course, it's all in the weighting.
Plus, haven't they ever heard of dumping a belt?
 
I was taught the weight belt goes on last (owd mid 90's) Now I dive with a Plate and Wing and crotch strap. My harness and crotch strap have been modified with Velcro. My belt goes on before the harness, but if I need to ditch, it only takes a swift pull. I have practiced, so I know how to keep my gear in place when I do that.
 
I was taught the weight belt goes on last (owd mid 90's) Now I dive with a Plate and Wing and crotch strap. My harness and crotch strap have been modified with Velcro. My belt goes on before the harness, but if I need to ditch, it only takes a swift pull. I have practiced, so I know how to keep my gear in place when I do that.

I do not know how long a "swift pull" takes but if you only have a second or two left it may be too long. Also keep in mind that there is usually more then one thing going wrong at once. Everyone can see and train for basic problems that occur one at a time, but it has been my experience that two problems, even if they are unrelated, happening at the same time will cause confusion and delay. Most divers are going to fall back on their training by instinct and that is the whole point behind training. My point is that dropping your weights is so far down on the list of things they are being trained to do that many end up dead before they ever think of dropping their weights.
 
Putting the weight belt on last is exactly what I was taught in 1970 and for the same reason. That reason is still 100% valid today though most training agencies barely even cover dropping your weight belt in an emergency, at best it is mentioned once or twice during the course and none that I know of practice it. Look through the accidents section on SB and you will see that most of the divers who are found dead are still wearing a weight belt. If you are found dead wearing a weight belt it is because you were an idiot and it cost you your life. Something this simple and basic should not even be up for discussion, it should be common knowledge and practice for every diver. But the reality is that people will spend endless hours talking about and working on holding a hover or sending up a SMB and ignore something simple that will save their A$$.

1. PADI teaches dropping the weight system in its new standards.

2. You leave out a good reason for being found dead with a weight belt on. The most common cause of scuba fatalities by far is a cardiac event. If you have a heart attack and pass out suddenly, that does not make you an idiot.
 
Putting the weight belt on last is exactly what I was taught in 1970 and for the same reason. That reason is still 100% valid today though most training agencies barely even cover dropping your weight belt in an emergency, at best it is mentioned once or twice during the course and none that I know of practice it. Look through the accidents section on SB and you will see that most of the divers who are found dead are still wearing a weight belt. If you are found dead wearing a weight belt it is because you were an idiot and it cost you your life. Something this simple and basic should not even be up for discussion, it should be common knowledge and practice for every diver. But the reality is that people will spend endless hours talking about and working on holding a hover or sending up a SMB and ignore something simple that will save their A$$.


we did our training with ACUC and we went through the weight ditching quite extensively acctually
 
2. You leave out a good reason for being found dead with a weight belt on. The most common cause of scuba fatalities by far is a cardiac event. If you have a heart attack and pass out suddenly, that does not make you an idiot.

I do not think that number is too high. When I read most accident info here someone always comes into the discussion to say that they had lots of training and the best equipment so it must have been natural causes. While that might be correct in some cases heart attachs rarely cause instant death so even in most of those cases the diver failed to drop their weights. Unless there is foul play suspected there is no autopsy so there is no way to know for sure.

PS: Where did your statics on cardiac events come form? I would be very interested in seeing any definitive statics on diving accidents.
 
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One of my closest friends has been a dive boat skipper in Monterey for years. I lost track of all the stories where he and the dive master were yelling “Drop your weight!” when a diver was on the surface and getting panicky or in real trouble. I have heard the exact same stories from day-boat and liveaboard captains in several oceans.

Apparently it is far from the first thing that the great majority of divers think of when they are struggling to breathe on the surface. This is the most dangerous form of lead poisoning in diving.
 
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we did our training with ACUC and we went through the weight ditching quite extensively acctually

I have never heard of ACUC, who are they? What was involved in teaching you to ditch your weights? Did they just talk about or was there also practice involved?
 
PS: Where did your statics on cardiac events come form? I would be very interested in seeing any definitive statics on diving accidents.

Every DAN fatality report ever published. You should read them. You will learn a lot.
 
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