DIVING OVER 50 YEARS OLD

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So, you really think that a diver will go through the expense of travelling to such a location only to cancel their diving and lay on the beach when they write down the risks?

A shop that goes above and beyond to create obstacles to diving will not last long.
They do those thing BEFORE they get there, not AFTER. That would definitely be frustrating for everyone. Remember, this is not a "typical" destination. Therefore, the pre-trip planning and prep is not going to be typical. It's got to be important for the operator to know that the visitors coming to the island are completely aware of its isolation, and have reasonable expectations.
 
Better except for the logistics. Should I mail the statement, fax it, or scan it?

Why not just go with the other shop, or the big island, and avoid the hassle?
 
Sorry, I clearly didn't read the thread closely enough -- I didn't mean to overlook your suggestions.

Contingency plans, staff prep, training, on-site supplies, etc. are all great ways to respond to an incident. I'm still curious about ideas to prevent divers from having incidents, rather than respond after the fact.

So far, I think the best suggestions may have been the hand-written acknowledgment of risk and the idea of having all divers--regardless of age--provide medical clearance. The first is well aligned with widely-held beliefs re. taking personal responsibility, while the second at least sidesteps the accusations of ageism.

Personally, I'm torn -- I don't think a dive op should be in the position of evaluating my medical state (ie., being given the details of a medical release, unless it contains specific restrictions such as 'should not dive below X feet') , but I have much less of an issue with an operator requiring that I have been evaluated by a 3rd party and cleared for the activity. Is the request to provide proof that a medical clearance was granted fundamentally different than providing proof that the diver has been trained and certified to dive by showing a C card? It's interesting that no one complains if a OP wants a check-out dive for someone who hasn't been in the water for 6~12 months, and there's frequently advice given here to get recertified if you haven't been diving for several years, yet there's such an objection to an OP proposing a different type of evaluation of fitness to dive.

What if the op introduced more diving-related qualifications, rather than just medical? What would the reaction be if the statement was something like "Because of the remote location, difficult access to medical care, etc., all divers must carry solo-dive certifications or dive-master or higher and show 50 or more logged dives within the last 6 months."? Sure, that would exclude a lot of customers (more than the medical requirement, I'd guess), and people here would jump all over it because those requirements are way out-of-proportion to the dive conditions...but I bet there would be a less hostile response, with none of the rhetoric about a pre-dive qualification being such an imposition on personal liberty.



Agreed...but... plausible != likely.

Perhaps a nonfocused routine physical could be compared to, say, a $99 OW dive certification -- neither is ideal, but each has some plausible benefit over not having any pre-dive evaluation or training, and each could lead an over-confident, underprepared diver into trouble. So...do we advocate eliminating certification just because a person might get poor training?

All of this reminds me that I'm about due to schedule an annual physical. Since I'm over 50 and check some "Yes" boxes on the standard medical-release-for-diver-training form, I'll probably have my GP sign it again, so I've got it ready in case I decide to do any training...or go to Little Corn.
No problem and I don't really have much to add beyond what has already been said.

While this thread will not change my current practice, I already get that yearly physical anyway and I think or at least hope that the op's target group does so as well, the one thing this thread has done is made me take another look at my current healthcare coverage. I already have DAN but I honestly don't know how well my personal insurance covers international travel. I am more concerned about that then about getting yet another form signed by my PCP.
 
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Better except for the logistics. Should I mail the statement, fax it, or scan it?
Yes.
Why not just go with the other shop, or the big island, and avoid the hassle?
Because you're an adventurer, and you don't want to be encumbered by the usual "tourist" destination.
 
I am so happy you two safety worshipers found each other. As further means to improve your safety, may I suggest you folks dive your 40 min x 40 ft dives on NITROX but set your comps to AIR?

Have you and I dived together before? :wink:

I may not dive quite THAT conservatively, but in planning my dives I really do take into consideration things like what kind of emergency services are available. For diving in a remote place far from a chamber, etc., I might very well be much more conservative. I vaguely recall that being suggested in the Rescue course.
 
This thread seems to have largely played out, just a few additional comments. Looking at the dive sites, there are a few at 70-80 feet, including Blowing Rock. It appears that Dolphin Dive does not supply nitrox, unless I missed it. I don't find limits on dive time on the website, for these deeper dives, I would like nitrox. Since Dive Little Corn offers the EAN course, I assume they offer nitrox. This might be an additional safety factor for some of the dives offered.
 
The OP is discussing a dive business in Nicaragua and proposing a medical release requirement for older divers. There are other dive venues where you could actually encounter a government imposed medical clearance requirement, specifically Australia. This is especially the case if you are taking a class of some sort. There you may even be required to obtain a local or approved doctor's clearance. The inconvenience of obtaining clearance is much less than the inconvenience of having a long distance dive trip nipped off by local regulation.
 
Why not just require that everyone who dives with you has DAN membership or other similar insurance? I have been on a number of operations that have this as a standard requirement. DAN membership is not that expensive.

Off topic: In Australia our Medicare is 1.5% of your taxible income and provides full coverage for all visits to doctors and and any matter requiring hospital, no matter what. Does not matter your age. ObamaCare is, as we see it, great but not enough!!!
 
It's not that much oxygen, come on now. You would likely not have to use it. An episode of DCS, explained or unexplained, or an episode of AGE is really on the diver, not the operator. The operator takes flak based on their emergency plan, support, and execution.
Yes it is. Assume 15l/minute non-rebreather mask for 12 hours. That's 11,000 liters of oxygen. That's like 6 AL80s full of oxygen at the normal 2000 some psi used for 02.
 
Probably need a couple welding bottles available.
 
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