Catalina PBY-4 Pilot Identified

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Hi, I am an environmental researcher who is currently doing work in Malalag Bay to assess the potential impacts from a proposed port expansion. We have done underwater video habitat mapping in the area along with other studies of the ecology and water quality of the bay. Part of the assessment is that of heritage value. It would be really valuable to assess the location of the catalina wreck in relationship to the proposed port infrastructure. Are you able to provide a latitude/longitude coordinate or even a google earth point (file) of the location?
 
bringing closure to this thread (thanks, WWD).
he's finally home......

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BELATED ARLINGTON HONOUR U.S. Navy honour guards carry the coffin of Ensign Robert G. Tills of Manitowoc, Wisc., as he is buried at Arlington National Cemetery near Washington, D.C., yesterday. Tills was killed on Dec. 8, 1941, one day after the attack on Pearl Harbour, when two PBY-4 Catalina Flying Boats moored in Malalag Bay in the Philippines, were strafed and sunk by Japanese aircraft. All of the crew on board the PBYs escaped the aircraft with the exception of Tills, who was seen by another crewman to have been hit and killed by machine-gun bullets. Tills was the first navy officer to be lost in defence of the Philippine Islands. His remains were recovered in November 2007.
 
Thank you very much for posting this.

However, this is not quite the end of this amazing story yet..............

I really can't say much more about this at the moment, but will post more info when I can - hopefully in a few days.

Thanks again
 
Wow indeed! Imagine that... flight at top speed, gun fires, bullet holes, explosion, crashing at sea. We're lucky we never have to experience that, I hope.
 
Something else huh!
 
Dear fellow divers

Find below very personal email correspondence from us to the family of the WWII Catalina pilot, Ens R. G. Tills who was buried with full honors on 23 March in Arlington National Cemetary.

This gives detailed information regarding the Catalina wreck and the artifacts which we are returning to his family.

We have very recently received a very personal email from the family about what this means to them. At this time, we are unable to say more until we have permission from his relatives. We will post more information about this when we are able to do so.

We at least hope by posting this on the PPD forum, that this will remain on record for others to remember.

Our wish is for historic wrecks to be protected in the Philippines and not be salvaged.


Dear Mr ******

Thank you for replying to our email. We are very pleased that we have been able to get in touch with you.

As long ago as December 2006, we were aware that two PBY-4s had been attacked and sunk on 8 December 1941, but did not have any contacts in the Malalag area at that time. We were also aware that Ens. Robert George Tills was listed as MIA after this attack and that he was the first US serviceman (of any branch of US forces in the PI's) to be killed in defence of the Philippines in WWII. Last year, we heard that the wreckage of an aircraft had been located in Malalag Bay and we were asked to visit the area with a friend, a Filipino dive instructor, who had some contacts there.

We first dived the area on June 5 2008 and spoke to the locals who told us that human remains had been found and had been taken to Manila for identification by the US Embassy.

Though you may have been given some information already, the following is based upon the official account of the event and interviews with locals and also from correspondence with the US Embassy. We do not intend that this should in any way be taken over and above what the US Navy account may be;

There were two Consolidated PBY-4 Catalinas (VP101, pat wing 10 - later to become the famous Black Cat Squadron)) that were attacked and shot down in the water on December 8 1941.

The attack was carried out from the Japanese carrier Ryujo as a pre-cursor to the invasion of Davao City. The attack came shortly before 8am in the morning - less than 8 hours after the attack on Pearl Harbour. The aircraft were strafed and bombs were dropped. All crew were able to swim to land - except for Ens Tills who was killed whilst in the co-pilot seat. The Wiiliam B. Preston (seaplane tender) escaped and picked up the surviving crew later (they had been looked after by the natives at Malalag).

Around 1978, the first PBY-4 was 'dragged' intact to the shore and salvaged for scrap. It is unknown what happened to any artifacts, though it is likely that local officials and ranking Philippine armed forces personnel took anything of significance; this is what the locals told us. This salvage operation was not reported to the US Government. The second Cat was known about, but it was considered not cost effective to salvage the aircraft; - not a lot of money was made from salvaging the first PBY-4 wreck.

In August 2007, the wreck area was 'dragged' and the Ens Tills PBY-4 was found. Confirmation of the wreckage was made by pipe 'hookah' divers. Lines were attached to the front section and the cockpit (15 foot section) was raised and suspended under a boat then taken to the harbour side. Here, it was lifted from the water. US Navy markings were seen on the side of the recovered section of the airframe. As the cockpit was lifted onto the harbourside, the wreckage tipped and human remains were discovered. The locals described 'bones falling' from the wreckage. It was at this point that Ens Tills skull fell into the water. The locals became very frightened as they are very supersticious.

The Malalag Coastguard was present and immediately contacted the US Embassy in Manila. The Coastguard confiscated the remains and personal effects. The Embassy sent a team to Malalag to retrieve the remains and any other personal effects or artifacts. These included a 1911 Colt .45 and possibly .50/.30 cal guns (not sure about the guns). The US team offered a reward for retrieval of the skull. This was found in December 2007 and taken to Manila. From there, we assume that the remains and artifacts were take to Hawaii for JPAC to complete the identification process. We first read in late December that Ens Tills remains had been positively identified and that his funeral was to be held at Arlington in March this year.

As mentioned, we initially dived the area on 5 June 2008 and found some small pieces of wreckage which we photographed. For information, the wreckage lies in between 65 and 70ft of heavily silted water at GPS coordinates - N ***** E *****. We sent the photographs to the UK to be identified by a Consolidated Catalina expert. The parts of the wreckage we recovered included a bulkhead door handle with a part number and a fuel bleed tank - suggesting that they came from the area where the cockpit joined the fuselage (near where the engineer would sit). These parts showed considerable damage that was likely due to an explosion of some kind. Though we are not experts, it is likely that the PBY was hit by a bomb. This would also explain why the front section of the Catalina was seperated from the wings/fuselage and easily salvaged. The Cat expert confirmed that that the wreckage was indeed from a PBY-4.

After more visits to dive the wreckage (14 and 25 June), we gained the trust of the locals who told us that several items had been found and kept by local people. These included the anchor (now used by a local fisherman), bronze compass, bakelite searchlight casing, boat hook, bomb sights, 'jungle bolo' knife, aviator sunglasses and comb. We also get the feeling that other artifacts are being held, but that people are too frightened to come forward - they think that they will be in trouble with the US Government.

We were told that the wreckage of the cockpit had been taken to a junk yard in Digos City for scrap. The former Mayor of Malalag knew the name of the owner and a friend from that area was able to track him down. On 12 June 2008 we travelled to a junkyard in Digos and found the owner, ****. He told us that the entire wreckage had been cut up and sold. He was very suspicious of us and thought that he would be in trouble with the US Navy.

After sharing a cigarette and explaining that we just wanted to recover what we could for the right reasons, he opened up a little and brought us some cables and very small pieces of wreckage. He also told us that some items had been found when the silt had been power washed from the cockpit. Some items were taken by his nephew who lives in General Santos City. These items included the bomb sights, boat hook, comb and aviator sunglasses. We asked if he would contact his nephew with a view to him selling us the items.

Our intention was to make a small display and help raise funds for a memorial to be placed in Malalag Bay to commemorate the attack and honor Ens. Tills. We had made some internet searches to identify family members of Ens Tills, but as then his remains had not been identified, so we though it inappropriate to contact anyone at this time.

After much toing and froing, we travelled to General Santos and met his nephew one evening. He brought the avaitors with him and agreed to sell these to us. He described how he found the avaitors in the silt in exactly the same place where Ens. Tills remains were found. He told us that he was one of the original salvage divers (hookah diver).

He had cleaned the aviators and even tried to pawn them. Pawn shops had refused to take them due to the condition of the lenses which are salt water damaged due to 60+ years of immersion. Other than this, the frames are in excellent condition. I have attached two photographs that show the avaitors.

He also told us that he knew of others who had some items including a bolo knife, comb, boat hook and bomb sights. We managed to retrieve the knife and
boat hook which we also have in our possession. We unfortunately have been unable to get hold of the comb or bomb sights as yet. The entire process of contacting and arranging to meet people is extremely time consuming and frustrating - sure you can imagine.

The rest of the wreckage - incuding cockpit instrumentation - was sold to a scrap dealer in Davao and will be impossible to trace. The propellors were taken by ranking Philippine army personnel and are probably still in Davao somewhere - likely being kept as decorations.

As previously mentioned, we very recently became aware that Ens. Tills remains had been identified and that he will receive a funeral with full military honours in Arlington Cemetary on 23 March. We also became aware that his sister and fiancee are alive and well and we began taking steps to return the aviators to her.

We contacted the US Embassy and - by chance - spoke to the officer who was responsible for Ens Tills remains being brought from Malalag. There then ensued an email exchange with several US Forces representatives involved in the identification and burial arrangements at Arlington. We have arranged for *******, Lt Col, USAF, JUSMAG Operations or one of his representatives in Davao to personally hand over the aviators. He like ourselves, is is keen to return the aviators to his sister, Mrs Jean Aplin, as soon as possible.

We are sure that you and the rest of Ens Tills family will be very interested to know that the junkyard owner, ****, told us that there were hundreds of spent 30cal shell cases in the wreckage. Many were sold for scrap or taken by local children. We had a few given to us.

For sure, somebody was firing at the Japanese aircraft from the forward guns as the Japanese made their attack run on the PBYs moored in Malalag. Though circumstantial, it would appear that Ens Tills died while defending his boat and his men - a true hero. Again, I hope that you are able to pass this information onto his sister, fiancee and other relatives. Please note that we have made Lt Col ***** aware of this.

Finally, some good news came about as a result of our research; On 19 June 2008 we met the municipal government and legislative committee of Malalag and made some presentations using video and information about the attack including a presentation on Ens Tills from facts gleaned from the internet. We also played some footage of PBY Cats to bring home to them the events of that day. The people there simply did not know about the wreck and its importance.

As a result of this, we were able to raise awareness about the significance of the events of 8 December 1941 and to gain support from them to protect WWII wrecks remaining in the area from being salvaged and destroyed for the price of scrap metal.

My wife and I have long traditions of family members serving in the British armed forces in several wars (Crimean, First and Second World Wars). They served in many great battles including Ypres, Gallipoli, Operation Market Garden, North Africa and Burma. We have both lost several family members and as such we hold a deep respect for Ens Robert Tills and consider him a hero in every sense of the word.

We would very much like to pass on our sincerest condolences to you and his family and we wish you all well for 23 March.

Yours faithfully
 
[FONT=&quot]Find below (with the very kind permission of Robert Kappelman) the text of email correspondence from him to us.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]He agreed for this to be printed to raise awareness that there remains many thousands MIA from WWII and other conflicts.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]His main message is for those families with MIA never to lose hope that someday their missing family members will be found and brought home.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]He wants to highlight the importance that the diving community has in these matters, in particular for the responsible diving on historic wrecks and for their protection.
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[FONT=&quot]It is sad that many ship wrecks have been, and will continue to be, salvaged that ought to be declared war graves. Many historic ship and aircraft wrecks still remain to be found in the PIÃÔ and across SE Asia.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The correspondence remains virtually as it was sent. For obvious reasons, some text has been removed which is quite personal for their family and for us.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]We now think this thread can now be put to bed from our point of view, but please feel free to add your comments.
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[FONT=&quot]"Dear Andrew
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[FONT=&quot]I just finished reading one of your emails, dated Jan 13, 2009, to my brother, Peter Kappelman. I am filled with emotion as I write to you. These are some incredible times for our family.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]First and foremost, I want to thank you for the work you've done, not just for our family, but for all armed forces and their loved ones. There are no words that can express the gratitude we hold for people like you who fill the holes in families' histories and the empty graves that longed for their countries' defenders to come home. While I, like my brother, never knew Bobby Tills, I am filled with emotion with the knowledge that there are people like you who choose to do the right things...for the right reasons.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]I am the youngest of seven children, now age 38. Until recently, I didn't hear the story of how I was named. After four days in the hospital following my birth, I was still unnamed (apparently it's hard to come up with a name after six :). The doctor told my mother, "I'd like to send you home, but I can't until you name this boy." It was my father's idea to name me after his two cousins, Robert Tills and Robert Kappelman, who had been killed in the wars. I always knew I had been named after them, but had never heard or sought the stories of their lives and accomplishments...until now. I am humbled to be named after men of this caliber.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]I am currently serving as the Captain of Police in the City of Two Rivers, about 7 miles from my brother's farm. My wife is a teacher's aide in a small Lutheran school where our two boys aged 12 and 10, respectively, attend. All of us will be leaving in two short days to attend two special events in Washington D.C. You know well of one of them.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]My boss, the Chief of Police, will be graduating from the FBI National Academy in Quantico, Virginia, on March 20. I also attended the Academy and graduated six years ago to the day, on 23 March. When I attended in 2003, one of my classmates who lived across the hall from me, was a ranking official (and still is) in the Philippine National Police. I can say from my 10 weeks with him at the Academy, he was a class act. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jane and Andrew, these happenings are all consuming for me. I am extremely interested in learning whatever I can about my namesake and his work and sacrifice. I am very interested in the presentations, photographs, and video that you discussed in your correspondence with my brother. If there is a time when you can share this information with me and my family, we would be greatly appreciative.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Additionally, I have already devoted a portion of my home and office to the commemoration of Ensign Tills. I have commissioned artists in the D.C. area to produce drawings of the PBY-4 and the U.S. Navy Destroyer Escort that was named after him. With your permission, I would like to forward your email to my brother and your contact information to the artists. They were seeking much more information than I had to make the drawings most accurate. Your information will no doubt help their effort. I will wait to hear from you before doing so.
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[FONT=&quot]There is so much I want to say and do to learn about Bobby. At some time, I would love to visit with you and possibly even make the trip to the Philippines to visit with people and places of importance in Ensign Tills life and death.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Thank you once again for all of your help and I look forward to our continued discussions[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Yours[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Robert Kappelman"[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Excerpts from recent correspondence from Robert Kappelman after the Arlington Funeral of Ens. Robert G. Tills[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]"Thank you for your kind words about Robert. As I told Jean in an email this morning...
my name means so much more to me after getting to meet all of these extended
relatives and hearing the stories of my father and Jean when they were young.
Jean and the rest of my family very seldom use the term "hero." According to Jean,
Bob, himself would have said that he was "just doing his job." Another commented that
true heroes always are that way. Nevertheless, all those who choose to serve their
countries and fight for freedom are true heroes.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]I agree with your assessment of the Till's artifacts. My plans would be to give Jean
[Ens Tills sister] the choice of keeping the items herself, or putting them on permanent
display in the Manitowoc Maritime Museum here in our hometown where she and Bob
grew up. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]It would surely be a safe place for many generations of our future to view ENS Tills
service. But that is a decision she should make. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]My plan is to put together Bob's entire story and conduct presentations for two reasons.

- First, to bring hope to the families of hundreds of thousands of troops who are still listed
as MIA.

- Second, is to raise awareness for the protection of historical sites like wrecks and
battlegrounds...you and I know the value they hold. The photos and videos would be
very beneficial to those ends.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]I don't think I told you, but one of the guests at ENS Tills' funeral was
Robert L. Kappelman Jr. Robert's father was my second namesake. He was a
navigator bombardier with a night fighter squadron in Korea. He was shot down in
North Korea and is still MIA.

Robert Jr. was six years old at the time and the only one of three boys who still
remembers a bit about his father. Although he is not a blood relative to Tills, I was
careful to watch his emotion during the services. This event brought a revitalized hope
that one day he might welcome his father home. Others may find the same hope upon
hearing Robert Tills' story.

Of course, I have requested Jean's permission to share that story. I don't expect she
would have any problem with it. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]My father served in the U.S. Army in Europe during the Korean Conflict. He tells the
story about letters that he and his cousin, Robert Kappelmann, exchanged during the
war. The first two were answered by Robert and the third came back to my father
stamped "undeliverable."

He would later find out that Robert was shot down and presumed dead. I can tell it still
affects him. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]As for the favor you asked about, you are welcome to use any part of my
correspondence on the forum.

If you would like something more specific, please don't hesitate to ask. As you can see
by my feelings above, our family's story needs to be told to protect the very possible
discovery of others' loved ones. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Responsible diving and exploration is paramount to that end. Ens. Robert Tills gave his
life almost 29 years before I was born, but because people like you have done the right
things for the right reasons, I have come to know him better than I ever would have
expected.

For that, and for your efforts to protect other wreckage sites, I am very grateful.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Yours[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Rober Kappelman"[/FONT]
 
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