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Wow I think you should dine around :) just kidding. Ok food was ok, but not all that good. When new guys took it over I asked them to introduce real cheese on their nachos and they did. I love nachos and I hope it was good advise and not the reason for the bar to burn :) I love Tobermory, I bring a lot of bussiness there but lately I don't think we are getting fair value for our hard earned dollar. It's not about this particular business but in general. There is no parking, hotels are super expensive. In addition to running dive center in Toronto I have travel agency. I find it's less expensive for me to take my students for all inclusive trip to Cuba then to run open water check out dives in Tobermory. Is it only me or you guys feel the same ?

Now I can't address the issue of pricing for diving in Toby these days, but if you idea of "good food" is "real cheese on their nachos" then you've overestimated the refinement of your palate. Yes, it's a pub. But pub food can be good if it's made with fresh local ingredients, like whitefish right from Georgian Bay/Lake Huron.

Nachos? Pulleeeze...
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For anybody that is reading this, do not take my word OR Norberto's word. Do a bit of easy and quick research and you will see that Tobermory is, while still priced as a tourist trap (which it is), does not have to be anything like what has been painted above.

Your absolutely correct Steve... I won't comment on Norberto's math (mostly because he lent me his wife to go diving the other day...) but it's still pretty good bang for the buck. And not to take away from the great diving off Kingston and in the River, our wrecks are still wood... not zebra-mussel covered lumps...

And Doppler, you are welcome any time at Squalor Holler, but I think that opening a pub at my place would surely start me on a path to ruination!

Here's a couple more pics I was sent... I'm not sure who took them...
 

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Fire destroys Tobermory landmark - Owen Sound Sun Times - Ontario, CA

Fire destroys Tobermory landmark

Fire destroyed the landmark Crowsnest Pub in Tobermory early Friday morning but its owners, who were sleeping in a third-storey apartment there, escaped the blaze without injury, Northern Bruce Peninsula Fire Chief Mike Henderson said Saturday.

A police investigation ruled out arson and officials from the Ontario Fire Marshal's office left the cause as "undetermined."

The scene was turned over to an insurance adjuster early Saturday afternoon, when a high-hoe behind the burned out three-story establishment set to work.

Crowsnest owners Matthew and Kristin Buckley are staying with friends in the area. Matthew Buckley said in an interview that they intend to rebuild.

The main floor walls are standing and part of the second storey walls also remain. A preliminary estimate of the value of the lost building alone is $600,000 to $700,000, Henderson said.

The fire was reported about 3 a.m. Friday. Matt Buckley saw flames on the second floor after a fire alarm sounded.

In all, about 20 firefighters, including five from Lion's Head, fought to contain the fire. Damage was limited to some smoke in the adjacent grocery store and to melted siding on the Divers Den dive shop.

Winds were very strong and it was cold for firefighters, Henderson said. "So they did a fantastic job. Unfortunately within a couple hours you know, it was pretty much gone," Henderson said.

The building contained a bookstore, pizza shop and deli, while the second floor housed the pub and outdoor patio. Henderson estimated the oldest parts of the building to be as much as 100 years old. It had been added to over the years and a lot of the building was wooden.

It's a central venue in the village for live musical entertainment, with regular appearances by Canadian folk great Valdy and others this past summer and over the years.

"In the summertime it's always very busy and they have folk music, folk singers in every weekend and during the week sometimes," said local resident Gwen White. "It's very popular with the tourists. And they made the best breakfast -- They make the best breakfast -- I'm sure they'll rise again," said a woman who would identify herself only as Alice.

Peacock's Foodland is to the immediate north of the Crowsnest. Owner Rick Peacock said he saw flames "close to five storeys high" when he arrived after 3 a.m. "For a volunteer fire department they did a fantastic job."

In one respect the wind helped too, by pushing the fire up towards the harbour and somewhat away from his store, he said.

"It was fully engulfed. The guys just stayed outside and put water to it," said fire platoon chief Dave Bricker, of the NBP Fire and Emergency Services.

"There was no sense anybody going in because there was nobody inside the building," he said. "Our firefighters did an exceptional job of containing it to the one building." Five hoses poured water on the structure.

He and other firefighters assisted the Coast Guard to pull containment booms from the harbour Saturday afternoon. They were set to intercept runoff from the fire which had unfolded steps away.

The remaining structure was unsafe to enter and so the Fire Marshal's office conducted its investigation from outside the building, Bricker said.

The Fire Marshal investigator left the cause as "undetermined," Bricker said. As for its origin, "he couldn't come up with a conclusion from what he could see without getting right in the building."

Bruce Peninsula OPP Det.-Const. Troy Doersam said by mid-afternoon Saturday of the fire "It's not suspicious," and he was "not investigating an arson." He is waiting on some information from the Fire Marshal's office but "We're basically done at this point."

The site was left to an insurance adjuster and a private fire investigation specialist. An OPP forensic identification expert from Mount Forest who photographed the building remains, joined them inside the main floor of the structure, behind yellow caution tape.
 
I'm not sure about diving putting Toby on the map. I've spent more non-diving than diving days there. And judging by the loads of tourists on the Glass Bottom boats, walking Flowerpot Island, out by the Lighthouse on the Cape (not the one you dive beside) and just walking around with cameras. You could remove all the divers and it would be mostly the dive shops and charters that would miss them. Most other local business's, including the hotels/motels would likely still be full all summer.
Enjoy Cuba, my younger daughter and fiancée just got back. She's not a diver, just snorkel's, but they paid less than $1000 for both of them, airfare included.
 
I'm not sure about diving putting Toby on the map.
Tobermory was there long before diving of course, but certainly back 20 - 25 years ago, diving was HUGE there, but then so was most other tourism. There was still a viable commercial fishery, and it was the fish tugs that carried the divers to the wrecks.

When I ran the lodge on Big Tub (before the dive shop blew up) we had a campsite there that on most weekends was absolutely jamb-packed. There were no specific tent sites... basically if you could put up a tent, you could stay. It wasn't at all unusual to fill 200 - 300 tanks a night. We rarely closed the shop before midnight, and re-opened at 7:00 AM...

During that period, tourists would line up for two days to ride the Chi-Cheemaun as it was a bit of a novelty, and gas was a lot cheaper so "road trips" were pretty common. Cars would be lined up all the way down Big Tub road. It was so busy that a second ferry was added a few years later and there was a total of eight crossings a day in the summer. These days, one ferry has trouble filling 4 crossings. The second ferry (The Nidawayma) was rusting away in Montreal when I last saw it a couple of years ago. (As an aside, we had nick-named it the "In-da-way-mon" since it blocked the view of the lake from my house when it was docked for the night.)

On any given weekend now, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of foreign tourists there... Europeans, Asians, 'Mericans and Torontonians.... And most aren't there to dive. The national parks are a huge draw and the fact that the area is a UNEXSO site is largely lost on Canadians.

So diving is still a big business there, and as a percentage of the town's business, there isn't another town in Canada that could compare. (Kingston has lots of diving, but as a percentage of all business in Kingston, it's negligible...)

The Crowsnest has been a popular spot with divers, boaters and tourists in general (as well as locals to a lesser extent) for many years. I don't know the new owners well, but they seem like genuinely nice people that are just trying to "live their dream". They are divers and I tip my hat to them for having the guts to give up their former careers to build a business up here... It isn't easy.

I hope that the conclusion of the investigation will pave the way for them to rebuild. Most businesses don't survive a major fire, but hopefully they will be the exception.
 
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CRAP i hate hearing about small business getting a bad break , i have alot of memories at the nest , pizza late nite runs , eating bad clam chowder and puking on the block of the arabia, snorting lemon and drinking tequila,......i sure hope its back next year ,stoo let us know if theres afund we can donate too ............steve
 
,stoo let us know if theres afund we can donate too ............steve

Oh right I forgot... just send money to me via Interac transfer and I'll be sure to get it to the owners next summer... One jug at a time! :rofl3:
 
stoo your a jerk
 
Perhaps instead of a foodfight about expenses we should be grateful the fire appears to have been limited to one building. Was it?
 
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