Do I really need AOW for diving with charters going to sites for depth below 60'?

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I just read about NACD apprentice cave...

From: NACD Training

"Cavern Diving
The cavern diving course is taught in a minimum of two days and includes classroom lectures, field exercises, open water line drills and a minimum of four cavern dives. This course emphasizes planning, procedures, environment, propulsion techniques, buoyancy skills, problem solving, equipment modification and the focuses on the specialized needs of the cavern diver.

Purpose: To teach the safe exploration of the cavern environment within specified limits. The course develops and establishes minimum skills, knowledge, dive planning abilities, problem solving procedures and the basic abilities to safely cavern dive.

Prerequisites: Advanced open water or equivalent or 15 logged non training open water dives with open water certification.

Minimum Equipment: Mask, fins, 60 cubic foot or greater single cylinder, single hose regulator with an octopus and submersible pressure gauge, exposure suit suitable for diving location, BC with power inflator, slate and tables, knife, timing device, appropriate weight, reel, two battery powered lights.

Intro to Cave Diving
The Introduction to Cave Diving course is taught in a minimum of two days and includes and a minimum of four single tank cave dives. This course is designed to help hone those skills previously learned in cavern. New skills and procedures are taught which are needed for limited single tank cave penetration.

Purpose: To develop a cave diving proficiency within limitations of a single tank. It is for the diver who does not wish the burden of double tanks or is not interested in cave exploration and long decompression dives. It is recreational cave diving course. The course develops and establishes minimum skills, knowledge, dive planning abilities, problem solving procedures and the basic abilities necessary to safely cave dive using single cylinders.

Prerequisites: NACD cavern diver of equivalent and a minimum of 25 logged non-training dives.

Minimum Equipment: All equipment required for cavern, 71.2 cu. ft. tank with dual orifice, primary reel with 400? of guideline, safety reel, additional first stage with a minimum five foot hose, line markers, clothes pins and an additional light for a total of three.

Apprentice to Cave
Although the NACD strongly supports and encourages the four-day Full Cave Diver course, it recognizes that some students may benefit from a program that provides for two separate two-day courses to attain the Full Cave Diver level. The Apprentice Cave Diver course is taught in a minimum of two days with a minimum of four dives in double cylinders. The emphasis of this course is an introduction to jump and gap procedures and continual improvement of the procedures, skills and emergency drills previously presented at the Cavern and Intro to Cave courses.

The Apprentice Cave Diver is considered a training level only and shall result in the issuance of a time-limited temporary card. Such temporary card shall expire of its own force and effect one year from the date of issuance. Upon expiration, the diver will be required to repeat the Apprentice Cave Diver program in full to subsequently dive at that level.

Prerequisites: NACD Introduction to Cave or equivalent.

Minimum Equipment: All equipment for Full Cave, minimum volume 142 cu. ft. in double cylinders with manifold, compass, primary light with minimum of 20 watts, two secondary reels and line arrows."

Based on the above... maybe the boat, from a risk management standpoint, didnt make a horrible decision. If his insurance company demands an AOW card then that might not be a bad idea especially if the apprentice cave card is expired. Jupiter (the reef, not the dive shops) has had its share of incidents recently, and one cannot blame the ops for being extra careful. Certainly I know it shows more experience than an AOW card diver with 9 training dives, but a we live in a weird world of lawyers.
 
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Okay, here is the real deal from someone on the inside. LIABILITY is the reason why we may require a certification beyond entry level. Lawyers do not care about your diving ability, only what can be proven. A log book is a good start, but the certification card is documneted by a training agency. Additionally the Dive-Con / Divemaster / Instructor taking you diving literally has your life in their hands, in certain cases it is unfair for us to ask them to take an Open Water Diver on an advanced dive.
 
Okay, here is the real deal from someone on the inside. LIABILITY is the reason why we may require a certification beyond entry level. Lawyers do not care about your diving ability, only what can be proven. A log book is a good start, but the certification card is documneted by a training agency. Additionally the Dive-Con / Divemaster / Instructor taking you diving literally has your life in their hands, in certain cases it is unfair for us to ask them to take an Open Water Diver on an advanced dive.

If I'm reading this right, you're saying that you really don't care if it's AOW or not, as long as it's somewhere beyond entry level...
 
I rather doubt that insurance has anything at all to do with it, I'd ask to see the policy, chances are I'd find another operator.
 

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