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look at your end goal of diving and purchase appropriate gear for that. There is no learning curve in scuba equipment wise and there is no reason that you can't learn in the same gear that we use for deep/cold/long technical diving on your first dive in open water. If it works for that, it works just dandy for recreational diving
 
...Puck Pro-I'd hold off on that and check out the Deepblu COSMIQ, it's $300, but does a lot more than the puck pro, so consider that.

The decompression algorithm is based on Buhlmann ZHL-16C, like many other proprietary algorithms. I have communicated with Deepblu and they were unwilling to share their NDL table with me. I have no idea how their algorithm compares to other proprietary Buhlmann algorithms like Pelagic Pressure Systems PZ+. I find this lack of transparency lacking. I would be hesitant to buy this computer without this information. It may be better than RGBM computers like the pending entry of Deep6, but only information will allow divers to make an intelligent choice.

I think the dive industry depends on ignorance of their consumers
 
I'll echo what others have said above about "packages". We do offer some nice packages for the beginning diver that work for some. However, you really need the perfect set up for your personal diving. With that in mind, many divers don't find their set up in a "one size fits all" package. I know that I personally like to assist divers in setting up their dive equipment package based on their own personal specifications. Some of the considerations are what is your body type/size, gender, experience level, conditions you plan on diving in, and future plans for diving. Most will find that if they consider all of these variables, they will save a great deal of money in the long run by not having to constantly upgrade and change their set up.
 
I just got my Deepblu COSMIQ computer in. I am an ambassador and can sell them. However I will not take any orders until I have put it through it's paces.
I'll be diving it this weekend and will post a review on my facebook page. I have it charging now.
Some photos of it in dive mode and watch mode and with my predator for size comparison.
Right now it requires an iphone to set it up and change settings via an ap. It is bluetooth enabled.
The android ap is coming mid july.

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I just got my Deepblu COSMIQ computer in. I am an ambassador and can sell them. However I will not take any orders until I have put it through it's paces.
I'll be diving it this weekend and will post a review on my facebook page. I have it charging now.
Some photos of it in dive mode and watch mode and with my predator for size comparison.
Right now it requires an iphone to set it up and change settings via an ap. It is bluetooth enabled.
The android ap is coming mid july.

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Very interested in this - would love to have something in between the standard casio style round faced computers and the very expensive (to me anyway) Shearwater/EON types.

Those screens look very clear.
 
New diver taking the PADI open water certification in 2 weeks. So far I have bought mask, fins, boots, and snorkel (Cetatek brand) from the local shop when I signed up for class.

I am looking at buying the full kit and signing up for the Advanced Open Water course after becoming certified. I wanted to get input on gear as I was thinking of getting the full kit. I see mixed things on renting. I was thinking for the price getting something entry level I could use and get comfortable with. It seems like just getting a bigger name you get something solid and down the road I could always upgrade.

Right now I live in Chicago by the lake so I was planning on taking advantage of the ship wrecks and maybe hit up the surrounding areas so for now it will be mostly cold water dives.

Computer: Puck Pro (on sale for $170) - ordering this week

Cressi Start Kit (upgraded bcd as the one included seemed to not be well liked) $665 from LeisuePro
-Cressi Aquaride Blue Pro
-Cressi XS2/AC2 Reg
-Cressi XS Octopus
-Cressi Mini 2 gauge console

Thoughts? Am I crazy and should just get the computer and hold tight?

I have to ask why go online when you are taking a ow course from your LDS?
Is it price? If it is did you ask if the LDS will price match? Most will and give you the service that comes with it. They will show you how to operate your computer and be sure to get the proper fit on the rest of your gear purchase. I can totally understand if it is a cost based decision but have you given the LDS a chance to provide the service they are there for?
Pleases do not use them for advise or for directions on gear you purchased online this early in your diving activity or as a fitting room to get proper size of gear and then go directly online without giving them a chance to price match. Not very good form and can create ill feelings down the road.
The package you wrote up as a online purchase , it's cost comes close or more than what a LDS can put together for you with a computer. Sherwood is a very well known manufacturer and most scuba operators can easily service the gear. Not so much with Cressi. Not that Cressi is bad, just not as many dealers carry the line and keep an inventory of parts.
 
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I have to ask why go online when you are taking a ow course from your LDS?
Is it price? If it is did you ask if the LDS will price match? Most will and give you the service that comes with it. They will show you how to operate your computer and be sure to get the proper fit on the rest of your gear purchase. I can totally understand if it is a cost based decision but have you given the LDS a chance to provide the service they are there for?.
Probably because I am used to buying online. I know traditional brick and mortar stores have limited floor space which limits what gear they carry and how often it changes. Also I find at the LDS you get that stores preference and what they prefer to sell. I like to look online and do my own research. I may come back to the same product or maybe something else.
 
I just got my Deepblu COSMIQ computer in. I am an ambassador and can sell them. However I will not take any orders until I have put it through it's paces.
I'll be diving it this weekend and will post a review on my facebook page. I have it charging now.
Some photos of it in dive mode and watch mode and with my predator for size comparison.
Right now it requires an iphone to set it up and change settings via an ap. It is bluetooth enabled.
The android ap is coming mid july.

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That watch looks super cool ( i love gadgets). Keep us posted how it works I may have to buy one.
 
The decompression algorithm is based on Buhlmann ZHL-16C, like many other proprietary algorithms. I have communicated with Deepblu and they were unwilling to share their NDL table with me. I have no idea how their algorithm compares to other proprietary Buhlmann algorithms like Pelagic Pressure Systems PZ+. I find this lack of transparency lacking. I would be hesitant to buy this computer without this information. It may be better than RGBM computers like the pending entry of Deep6, but only information will allow divers to make an intelligent choice.

I think the dive industry depends on ignorance of their consumers

I would be cautious about the Pelagic PZ+ algorithm that's found in several computers like Oceanic. Although Pelagic says it's based on Buhlmann ZHL16c, the PZ+ is most likely a modified version with GFs set by the manufacturer. This means you can't customize GF when using the PZ+ and you really don't know what Modifications or GF settings the PZ+ system is using.

Here's why this is a concern.

Recent scientific studies conducted by the US Navy Experimental Diving Unit (NEDU) and leading decompression scientists have concluded that Deep Stops increases the risk of DCS. This is a major finding since Deep Stops have been the status quo in diving for many years and several computer manufacturers have implemented Deep Stops in their products both as a feature and in the computer's deco algorithm.

In the Technical diving community, the prevailing trend is to move away from deep stops to shallow stops. This is simply done by adjusting the GFLO on our computers. But even that is a moving target as research seems to be validating further moving up to a higher GFLO. What does this mean?

* For those with Shearwater, Nitec, H3, etc., using Buhlmann ZHL16c algorithm WITH user customizable GF, we can easily go with the latest findings and research by simply adjusting the GFLO and GFHI on our computers.

* For those with Suunto, Oceanic, Aqualung, and all other computers with "proprietary" algorithms, you don't really know what your computer is doing. Furthermore, if for example, the latest findings are showing GF 50/70 as the setting to minimize Deco risks, you can't change to that GF on your Oceanic or Aqualung computer with PZ+.

* Yes, I would classify the PZ+ as proprietary because, although it is marketed as "based" on Buhlmann ZHL16c, we don't know, and Pelagic is not saying, what modifications they have made to the Buhlmann algorithm and what GF the computer is using to establish conservatism levels (Shearwater does this in their Rec Mode). And, even if you want to, you can't change the GF on a PZ+ computer system.

Computers are expensive and we want to somehow "future proof" our investment when we buy one. The computer's Deco Algorithm is key. Decompression science is changing and if I may add, quite significantly. Just a few years ago, Deep Stops was in vogue. Today, it's a 180 degree shift away from it. Without knowing what your algo is doing or the ability to change it to conform to new findings, we are rending our computer investment obsolete at best and putting ourselves at risk in the worse case.
 

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