Long term effects of recreational diving....scientific data?

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I was thinking about this thread today. Sunday, I rode both my horse and my husband's, and I ended up with a very sore back. Yesterday, I rode my own horse, and came home in the afternoon and went straight for the ibuprofen bottle. It usually helps a lot, but it didn't . . . by the time we were headed for the dive shop to start the evening's session with the OW classes, I was pawing through my purse and furious that I didn't have my usual small bottle of ibu with me. I wasn't happy about carrying tanks and dragging gear trunks, not a bit.

Then I spent an hour and a half in the water with the students. When I got out, I didn't hurt anywhere. When I got up this morning, I didn't hurt nearly as much as usual.

If diving is taking small bites out of my brain, it may be worth it.
 
Lance seems to be under a little pressure lately.:shocked2:

Perhaps, he didn't do it properly


Lance.... Really?....
Pro Football, Basketball, Professional golf, and yes, in professional Cycling, huge money can be had by those able to RECOVER faster than a normal human, and able to get more optimal muscle function.....Pro Sports is so riddled with Steroids and Growth Hormone, in reality we would need a "Witch Hunt" to find a pro that was not or had never been ON DRUGS.

The Tour de France is one of the most unhealthy competitions an athlete could engage in. The exertion level for 100 miles or more per day for over 3 weeks, can't be recovered from naturally...You can't even really train for this event, given the speeds and lack of recovery paces that exist today in the Tour..unless you are on drugs.... So, in cycling, as in other pro sports, there are doctors that are experts at creating the 'Masking Agents" that will allow these athletes to pass a drug test, and not show the drugs tested for. Apparently Lance had good masking protocols, and certainly he is not alone.

An argument could EASILY be made, that Lance was using drugs to allow a HIGHER STATE OF HEALTH, to counteract the sheer impossibility of the Tour not absolutely being destructive to him and the others. Imagine how stupid a competition would have to be, for Anabolic Steroids to be a health drug ( or whatever he was using), and then look at the Tour de France, and you will see a competition even more stupid.
 
Hi HB,

This is an area of interest of mine and there have been a surprising number of studies on the topic over the years. These mostly involve commercial/military/technical divers, many of whom had sustained neurological DCS.

Some work has been done with sports divers without histories of DCI and some of this has shown gray & white matter lesions, impairment of neuropsychological function, and abnormal EEGs & MRIs. For better or for worse, for just about every study that finds abnormalities there is another that finds nothing of concern. The following is a smattering of those reporting “positive” findings:


1. Undersea Hyperb Med. 2011 May-Jun;38(3):197-204.

Neuropsychological deficits in scuba divers: an exploratory investigation.

Kowalski JT, Varn A, Rottger S, Seidack S, Kahler W, Gerber WD, Andrasik F, Koch A.

German Naval Medical Institute, Kronshagen, Germany.

CONCLUSIONS: The findings support the proposed possibility that minimal cerebral lesions occur after diving even without DCS. Further studies with this highly selective population of very experienced divers using more elaborate neurocognitive and neuromotor tasks seem warranted.

2. Ann Intern Med. 2001 Jan 2;134(1):21-4.

Relation between directly detected patent foramen ovale and ischemic brain lesions in sport divers.

Schwerzmann M, Seiler C, Lipp E, Guzman R, Lövblad KO, Kraus M, Kucher N.

Swiss Cardiovascular Center Bern and University Hospital.

CONCLUSIONS: Regardless of whether a diver has a patent foramen ovale, diving is associated with ischemic brain lesions.

3. Eur Neurol. 1999;42(4):194-9.

Magnetic resonance signal abnormalities and neuropsychological deficits in elderly compressed-air divers.

Tetzlaff K, Friege L, Hutzelmann A, Reuter M, Höll D, Leplow B.

German Naval Medical Institute, Kronshagen, Germany.

Abstract
We investigated the association between MR signal abnormalities of the central nervous system, neuropsychologic performance and exposure indices in 20 experienced elderly compressed-air divers who had no history of neurological decompression illness (DCI). Results of MRI of the brain and psychometric testing were compared with 20 matched healthy commercial employees who never dived: 60% of the divers and 45% of the controls had hyperintense MR abnormalities. Among divers, both the number and the size of abnormalities correlated with hours diving in the deep air-diving range of 40-60 m (p < 0.05). Divers' mental flexibility and visual tracking performance were decreased in comparison with controls (p< 0.05 and p < 0.01). Divers thus are at risk of detrimental long-term effects of compressed-air diving on the central nervous system even in the absence of a history of neurological DCI.

4. Lancet. 1995 Jun 3;345(8962):1403-5.

Central nervous system lesions and cervical disc herniations in amateur divers.

Reul J, Weis J, Jung A, Willmes K, Thron A.

Department of Neuroradiology, Technical University, Aachen, Germany.

Abstract
Permanent neuropsychological changes such as memory disturbances and depression have been found in professional divers, even in those who have never had decompression sickness. The changes are probably the result of intravascular gas bubbles insufficient to cause acute symptoms. We examined amateur divers with long histories of self-contained underwater breathing apparatus diving by magnetic resonance imaging and compared them with normal controls. Hyperintense lesions of the subcortical cerebral white matter and degenerative changes of the cervical disks were significantly more common in the divers. 27 of 52 divers had a total of 86 focal hyperintensities versus 10 of 50 controls with 14 focal hyperintensities (p < 0.01). 32 divers had at least one degenerated intravertebral disc versus 9 controls (p < 0.0001). These results suggest that amateur divers are at risk of accumulating lesions in the central nervous system and in cartilage.


There are a number of important points to bear in mind when thinking about such findings, including:

1. There are no well-controlled studies that substantiate that scuba actually causes these abnormalities.

2. Assuming that these abnormalities in fact are dive-related, it is not known at what point these changes might be expected to occur in sports divers, e.g., depths, times, number of lifetime dives, temperatures.

3. The clinical significance of these abnormalities of brain is often unclear. In many cases, they are “silent,” that is, they don’t seem to be adversely impacting neurocognitive status. And in most cases where they do seem to have an effect, the impact is trivial in any real world sense.

BTW, I am aware of no studies in respected, peer-reviewed journals that suggest an increase in psychiatric disorder (mood disorder or any other) in sports divers without histories of DCI.

This is a complicated subject and much remains unknown. While it’s being sorted out, IMHO there is no reason for alarm. I have been aware of such studies for decades and haven’t changed my diving practices one iota solely as a result of them.

The recreational diver who carefully follows customary safe diving protocols appears to be at little meaningful risk of scuba-related cerebral damage or dysfunction even over a very long period of regular participation.

Regards,

DocVikingo

This is educational only and does not constitute or imply a doctor-patient relationship. It is not medical advice to you or any other individual, and should not be construed as such.
DocVikingo, Your first reference was military divers. I did a search on PubMed.gov, and found this interesting study:

Recreational scuba diving, patent foramen ova... [Swiss Med Wkly. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI

The full text of the study is also available:

http://www.smw.ch/docs/smw/archiv/pdf200x/2001/2001-25/2001-25-017.pdf

John
 
DocVikingo, Your first reference was military divers. I did a search on PubMed.gov, and found this interesting study:

Recreational scuba diving, patent foramen ova... [Swiss Med Wkly. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI

The full text of the study is also available:

http://www.smw.ch/docs/smw/archiv/pdf200x/2001/2001-25/2001-25-017.pdf

That study seems to me to be primarily a summary of what others had written by that time on a wide variety of diving-related health issues, with no new information of its own that I could see. It is also now nearly 12 years old, so it will obviously not include any recent discoveries.

I found this sentence from the abstract interesting because it seems to cast doubt on the overall diving knowledge of its authors.

The use of special nitrogen-oxygen mixtures ("nitrox", 60% nitrogen and 40% oxygen as the typical example) decreases the probability of nitrogen narcosis and probably bubble formation, at the cost of increased risk of oxygen toxicity.​

In one sentence it has two statements that cause concern for the reliability of the article as a whole.

1. EANx 40 is by no means a typical example for nitrox. I am an avid user of nitrox and an Advanced Nitrox instructor, and I have never seen it used anywhere. Back in the day when this was written, the two most common blends were 32% and 36%, often called Nitrox I and Nitrox II.

2. Although some people do believe that nitrox has benefits related to narcosis, such thinking is very much in the minority. Most people think it provides no benefit, and that is the teaching of both agencies for which I teach nitrox diving. It was also the thinking when that article was written, which is when I first received nitrox certification. For them to blithely say it provides that narcosis benefit without even a discussion of a controversy once again raises a question. Interestingly enough, I could not find this claim in the full article--only in the abstract. (It is pretty unusual to find a claim in the abstract that is not int he main article.)​

The section on narcosis in the full article also contains this information about other dangers of diving deep with air:

During dives with compressed air, symptoms may occur at depths deeper than 30 m (ambient pressure 4 atm). At depths deeper than 55 m, a diver&#8217;s performance is severely impaired. At extreme depths of 90 to 100 m under water, unconsciousness and death results [23], when using compressed air for breathing.​

I am sure divers like Brett Gilliam will be surprised to learn how often they went unconscious and died at depths well beyond those mentioned here. I am not saying that it is safe to dive air to those depths and beyond while breathing air--I wouldn't do it. I am just wondering how they can make such a clear statement that such a result will occur when so many divers have done such dives without that effect.
 
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EANx 40 is by no means a typical example for nitrox. I am an avid user of nitrox and an Advanced Nitrox instructor, and I have never seen it used anywhere. Back in the day when this was written, the two most common blends were 32% and 40%, often called Nitrox I and Nitrox II.
Point of information: NOAA NITROX I is 32% and NOAA NITROX II is 36%.

Although some people do believe that nitrox has benefits related to narcosis, such thinking is very much in the minority. Most people think it provides no benefit, and that is the teaching of both agencies for which I teach nitrox diving. It was also the thinking when that article was written, which is when I first received nitrox certification. For them to blithely say it provides that narcosis benefit without even a discussion of a controversy once again raises a question. Interestingly enough, I could not find this claim in the full article--only in the abstract. (It is pretty unusual to find a claim in the abstract that is not int he main article.)
I have found the narcosis benefit to be, at best, ephemeral. Fatigue relief on multi-day multi-dive exposures seems to me to be real.
I am just wondering how they can make such a clear statement that such a result will occur when so many divers have done such dives without that effect.
Yes!
 
I have my own "take" on the health benefits of scuba diving. Saying that, I am not a "vacation diver," and don't dive nitrox. I dive locally, and as much as I can find time to do, mostly solo. I typically dive one site, High Rocks on the Clackamas River, although I have branched off a bit with some other buddies. My entry requires moving my equipment over rocks and down a hill about 100-150 yards, so there is some climbing and descending on foot with the scuba (35-70 pounds, depending on the unit). I am now 67 years old, and plan to continue this diving another ten or so years. Here are some benefits I don't think were mentioned in these articles and papers:

--Exercise entering, exiting and walking equipment to and from the dive site.
--Breathing filtered air, which is many times better air than the ambient city air we normally breath, which has been cycled through auto engines several times, and has wood smoke, diesel exhaust, etc. in it.
--Practice balancing under load.
--Water skills, which are non-impact exercise. In my case, the current is many times approximately 2 mph, and I many times go to the bottom and hand-crawl against the current. I also swim against that current.
--Seeing the wonders of the underwater world, which includes coming up expectantly on some big fish (salmon, steelhead, lampreys, and occasionally a very large sturgeon).
--Swimming under load weightless.
--Exercising one's lungs, so as to maintain a relatively large tidal volume.

So from my perspective, scuba diving is very beneficial to health.

SeaRat
 
This is a complicated subject and much remains unknown. While it&#8217;s being sorted out, IMHO there is no reason for alarm. I have been aware of such studies for decades and haven&#8217;t changed my diving practices one iota solely as a result of them.

The recreational diver who carefully follows customary safe diving protocols appears to be at little meaningful risk of scuba-related cerebral damage or dysfunction even over a very long period of regular participation. Regards, DocVikingo


This hot off the Internet:

"Scand J Med Sci Sports. 2013 Jul 31. doi: 10.1111/sms.12100. [Epub ahead of print]

Long term effects of recreational SCUBA diving on higher cognitive function.

Hemelryck W, Germonpré P, Papadopoulou V, Rozloznik M, Balestra C.

Source
DAN Europe Research Division, Military Hospital Queen Astrid, Brussels, Belgium; Center for Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, Military Hospital Queen Astrid, Brussels, Belgium; Environmental and Occupational Physiology Department, Haute Ecole Paul Henri Spaak, Brussels, Belgium.

Abstract
We investigated long-term effects of SCUBA diving on cognitive function using a battery of neuropsychometric tests: the Simple Reaction Time (REA), Symbol Digit Substitution (SDS), Digit Span Backwards (DSB), and Hand-Eye Coordination tests (EYE). A group (n&#8201;=&#8201;44) of experienced SCUBA divers with no history of decompression sickness was compared to non-diving control subjects (n&#8201;=&#8201;37), as well as to professional boxers (n&#8201;=&#8201;24), who are considered at higher risk of long term neurological damage. The REA was significantly shorter in SCUBA divers compared to the control subjects, and also more stable over the time course of the test. In contrast, the number of digits correctly memorized and reordered (DSB) was significantly lower for SCUBA divers compared to the control group. The results also showed that boxers performed significantly worse than the control group in three out of four tests (REA, DSB, EYE). While it may be concluded that accident-free SCUBA diving may have some long-term adverse effects on short-term memory, there is however, no evidence of general higher cognitive function deficiency."

I really wouldn't classify any of these tests as truly reflective of higher cognitive function, but it's good enough for me ; )

Regards,

DocVikingo
 
Doc,
I would like to see a correlation study of a group of divers, compared to a group of people that look at great art, or listen intently to music they love, daily or weekly...versus a control group that has no equivalent for of art appreciation and relaxation/stress relief .....

As to the current study.... I would wonder if it would come out the same if the group of divers was switched to extreme free divers--the ones that cheat their CO2 systems to do 6 minute or longer breath hold dives, and who determine it is time to get back to the surface, not on the CO 2 compulsion to breath, but instead on a feeling of numbness spreading up from their hands , up their arms on the way to shoulders.....Of course, I would expect some long term oxygen deprivation effects and that this type of extreme apnea training based freediving, is bad for cognitive function over many years..... What do you think? :)
 
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