So......should Paris go to jail?

[SDAnderson]

Paris Does Jail
And everyone in it!​

This could be the smartest marketing move Paris has ever made - build an audience for her next porn flick, a "Women in Chains" expose, if you'll forgive the pun.

 

[Diver Dennis]

What makes you think public transportation is even available? In these cases it isn't as they are in rural areas. I am a big proponent of people taking personal responsibility for their actions, which is a concept lost on oh so many today. But when you put someone into a position where they have nothing but bad choices available, you force them into a bad choice. That's the problem I have with the way we currently do things in this country. There are other and more effective methods of punishment here is all I am stating.

I see your point but what is more effective? Possibly letting them drive back and forth to their job night work but how would you monitor that? Who would pay the cost of monitoring that?

You are also presenting them with more bad choices where they might think that a quick trip to the market is not a bad thing and it only takes a few minutes. If they could not resist the urge to drink and drive, will they be able to be disciplined enough to use their vehicle just for work?

I do understand that sometimes it's good people who may have had one too many that get caught and when they have a clean record to begin with there are situations where some concessions can be made. Again though, it is a bad choice that got them in trouble in the first place.

 

[Geoff_H]

The problem with taking away most peoples drivers licenses is you almost force them to break the law

I'm sorry, that is just ridiculous!

 

[Cacia]

Maybe forcing them to ride a ten speed would help. It sure made me a more consciencious driver, realizing the common everyday ways I could nail a cyclist by only watching for cars. Plus, they would get healthy, and you can't really ride a bike in traffic if you have had even one beer without realizing how much it effects your balance.

Yea, I'd say have government issue bikes and hand them one in court after they pay a deposit. Have an odometer on it that mandates they ride a certain amount of miles per week. Once they reach a fairly high pre-set quota of miles, they have earned their DL back.

I should be running the country.

 

[Hemlon]

If Arnie pardons her then every single person in CA who did what she did should be pardoned also.

My opinion: No pardon for you, Paris!

Wow...that sounded very soup Nazi-ish.

 

[dlndavid]

one year!

 

[dlndavid]

I see your point but what is more effective? Possibly letting them drive back and forth to their job night work but how would you monitor that? Who would pay the cost of monitoring that?

You are also presenting them with more bad choices where they might think that a quick trip to the market is not a bad thing and it only takes a few minutes. If they could not resist the urge to drink and drive, will they be able to be disciplined enough to use their vehicle just for work?

I do understand that sometimes it's good people who may have had one too many that get caught and when they have a clean record to begin with there are situations where some concessions can be made. Again though, it is a bad choice that got them in trouble in the first place.

Dennis, they do have restricted "to from work" license suspension here in CA.
But as for Paris, she has a job?

 

[Hemlon]

 

[TxHockeyGuy]

I see your point but what is more effective? Possibly letting them drive back and forth to their job night work but how would you monitor that? Who would pay the cost of monitoring that?

In TX the person who had the DUI has to pay for all the monitoring. The problem is currently the breathalyser equipment installation and monitoring fees are so excessive the normal person can't afford it. I think a much better solution for those with a work license would be to have the driver keep a mileage log that is filled out every time they drive. This could be checked once a month against their odometer for a fee of $50/month. Given you know where they work and where they live you should know roughly what that odometer reading should be. People don't generally show up to work drunk and keep their job very long so this would still be quite effective at preventing both drunk driving and driving elsewhere in their car. You could obviously use another car but nothing prevents you from doing that under the current system. I think you'd also see a much larger percentage of participation given that it would be much more affordable.

You are also presenting them with more bad choices where they might think that a quick trip to the market is not a bad thing and it only takes a few minutes. If they could not resist the urge to drink and drive, will they be able to be disciplined enough to use their vehicle just for work?

You can't keep their license suspended forever. That's a choice they'll have and if they are doing this often the odometer logging I spoke about above would also catch this.

I do understand that sometimes it's good people who may have had one too many that get caught and when they have a clean record to begin with there are situations where some concessions can be made. Again though, it is a bad choice that got them in trouble in the first place.

Unfortunately in this day and age of zero tolerance such concessions aren't made. I don't disagree that bad choices have been made. All I am saying is present them with a choice that isn't bad so they can get on with their lives. Oh, by the way both of the people I know had to spend about $10,000 on their first offense DUI. That's not a fine, that's state sponsored extortion.

 

[RonDawg]

In TX the person who had the DUI has to pay for all the monitoring. The problem is currently the breathalyser equipment installation and monitoring fees are so excessive the normal person can't afford it. I think a much better solution for those with a work license would be to have the driver keep a mileage log that is filled out every time they drive. This could be checked once a month against their odometer for a fee of $50/month. Given you know where they work and where they live you should know roughly what that odometer reading should be. People don't generally show up to work drunk and keep their job very long so this would still be quite effective at preventing both drunk driving and driving elsewhere in their car. You could obviously use another car but nothing prevents you from doing that under the current system. I think you'd also see a much larger percentage of participation given that it would be much more affordable.

Only problem is that is only takes one time for a DUI driver to ruin someone's life forever. He may not make it to work for the boss to take action on him.

Odometers are routinely altered, especially on older cars, so this is not a reliable solution. I wouldn't have a problem with GPS tracking so long as there's a way to ensure the device isn't removed or disabled prior to driving the car. But then you may run into the same cost issues.

As far as the costs, nobody said being busted for DUI is going to be cheap. I don't think the convicted party should be gouged out of their life savings, but OTOH the taxpayer shouldn't have to subsidize his mistake either.

Unfortunately in this day and age of zero tolerance such concessions aren't made. I don't disagree that bad choices have been made. All I am saying is present them with a choice that isn't bad so they can get on with their lives. Oh, by the way both of the people I know had to spend about $10,000 on their first offense DUI. That's not a fine, that's state sponsored extortion.

As David already posted above, CA and many other states already have provisions for giving the person back their license for limited uses, as long as the circumstances behind the arrest weren't severe (i.e. didn't kill someone or left them paralyzed). While the car certainly won't know if you're driving it for the limited purpose, if caught the penalties are much worse. And in CA, if you're caught driving on a suspended license, on top of additional criminal charges under certain circumstances you can kiss the car goodbye for 30 days, accruing daily storage charges the entire time. That applies even if the car belonged to someone else. :11: