trip report-CN Dive Komodo

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Semporna, Malaysia
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Hi,
I am a brand new member of scubaboard, but have used it many times for info on other dive centers etc. Me and my girlfriend are both instructors with 1000+ dives and work in semporna malaysia. I have just had such a great trip that i feel as though it is now my turn to give something back.
We first found out about Condo and his company CN dive, through friends that found out we were planning a trip to Komodo. We then contacted him to find out about availability and get a quote via email. Him and his wife share the emailing responsibility's and keep the replies very short and to the point, email replies can be quite sporadic and often don't really answer all your questions so you have to be a bit persistent.
Once we arrived in Labuan Bajo everything went as smooth as silk. We had someone at the airport to pick us up, which was great as CN dive no longer has an office in town. We then went to met condo at his house to discuss the itinerary we had booked, a 5day 4 night trip. Condo seemed a very genuine man who really loved the area in which he had been diving since 1984. He then informed us we could get out to the boat that night(1 night earlier than expected) and also gave us a very good price for the whole trip including the first night for free. Now it took a few hours waiting at the jetty for him to get everything organized and then a few more hours waiting on the speed boat, on a mooring line at sea for the liveaboard to arrive and meet us, but it's not like we had anything better to do so this was fine with us.
Once we got onto the liveaboard embun laut(misty sea), we found it to be fairly well what we expected. There were 3 rooms with double beds of which we occupied one and then a few others with bunks or single beds, all in all they said the boat sleeps 10 comfortably. The whole time we were on the boat, it was just us and 2 other couples, also instructors. Our room was small but plenty comfortable, we shared two bathrooms/cold water showers up on deck level, there was also plenty of space up on deck for longing around between, before and after dives. All in all the boat his fairly basic, but has everything necessary to give any serious dive a good time. Food on the boat was always good, pancakes before the first dive in the morning usually around 7.30am, second breakfast after first dive, lunch was usually ready after the second dive, cold beers and snack after third dive and before a tasty dinner. One thing is you need to let him know if you want any beer on the boat and he will organize it for you, otherwise it's just water and soft drinks. Luckily we asked about the beer situation before going out or it could of been a very thirsty trip!
Dive masters Harry, Hanky and Wally knew the area very well, condo won't allow anyone guide on his boat with less than 5 years diving experience in Komodo, good policy considering the currents we were facing. The diving was amazing, we were there in late may and could not dive the south because of the whether conditions, we dived in the north with vis averaging 20-25 meters, 1 dive with 10+ manta rays some really close, plenty of hunting giant trevally's, giant Napolean wrasse, lots of white tip reef sharks, a few black tips and grey reef sharks. Then towards the end of the trip we did some easier dive and saw a bit more macro, pygmy seahorse, indian walkman, loads of leaf scorpion fish and some beautiful nudi branchs. The coral reefs in this area are beautiful, full of color and teeming with life.

In terms of price, value for money, crew, experienced dive guides, all round komodo experience and interested in the diving more than a luxury boat then you cant do better than CN dive!
 
Thanks for the report--sounds like you had some great dives. I'm trying a little to read between the lines, so could you confirm or correct some of the impressions I got from it?

First, since you work in the industry in the backpacker town of Semporna, I can imagine that you are pretty much used to bare-bones operations so you're tolerant of several-hour waits on a bobbing speedboat, etc. And as you're dive pros, I guess it wouldn't matter to you if the dive guides weren't actually trained up beyond AOW. So to what degree did it seem to you that this was a really professionally-run operation as opposed to something like going out diving with a friend who's got a boat?

Since there was no hot water on the liveaboard, I'm guessing also only air fills and no nitrox? What about safety equipment? Was there emergency oxygen on board? What was compressor maintenance like? (The last low-budget Indonesia liveaboard I was on needed to switch out its compressor during the trip since we could tell by the taste that it was delivering bad air.)

What I'm trying to figure out is how safe the operation is. You describe the fun, food, and comfort aspects, but you don't talk much about the safety aspects other than that the guides' experience with the dive sites.
 
Thanks for the report--sounds like you had some great dives. I'm trying a little to read between the lines, so could you confirm or correct some of the impressions I got from it?

First, since you work in the industry in the backpacker town of Semporna, I can imagine that you are pretty much used to bare-bones operations so you're tolerant of several-hour waits on a bobbing speedboat, etc. And as you're dive pros, I guess it wouldn't matter to you if the dive guides weren't actually trained up beyond AOW. So to what degree did it seem to you that this was a really professionally-run operation as opposed to something like going out diving with a friend who's got a boat?

Since there was no hot water on the liveaboard, I'm guessing also only air fills and no nitrox? What about safety equipment? Was there emergency oxygen on board? What was compressor maintenance like? (The last low-budget Indonesia liveaboard I was on needed to switch out its compressor during the trip since we could tell by the taste that it was delivering bad air.)

What I'm trying to figure out is how safe the operation is. You describe the fun, food, and comfort aspects, but you don't talk much about the safety aspects other than that the guides' experience with the dive sites.

That is a very good point you have made,could not agree more.Recently i was paid some compliments how i conducted things down to simple things as requesting dive card,logbook and passport for intro etc.. and the fact i restricted 2 divers without dive card as they forgot to bring it.to a intro dive and restricted to only dive to 18m even thou they said they were rescue divers and they got angry with me and told them if they did not shut up,then no diving as really no card no diving.week later same thing happened with 2 divers.this time no diving.within 24hrs had fax of card.But this is how things should be
 
I dunno... I think the review was pretty straight forward, and it doesn't really warrant what looks like a lot of aggressive questioning, Quero. Sorry if it wasn't intended that way, but you said a few things that added information that was never given;

I can imagine that you are pretty much used to bare-bones operations so you're tolerant of several-hour waits on a bobbing speedboat, etc.
I have never had to wait for a few hours on a speedboat in or around Semporna, not sure where this comes from. The OP said that they accepted to go out to the boat a day early- seems like questioning CN dive about their safety or professionalism isn't relevant- its not like they were scheduled to pick up guests until the next day. Sounds like they got to stay on the boat overnight for free instead of hanging out in LBJ.

And as you're dive pros, I guess it wouldn't matter to you if the dive guides weren't actually trained up beyond AOW.
Not sure that this is fair either and a little suggestive. Where did it suggest that they were untrained, AOW? Im sure it would shock most, but I have seen dozens of guides working on professional boats who have never officially done any type of diving course.

My impressions of this operation is that it is a locally owned, and run, liveaboard that doesn't try to compete with luxury or "professional" diving operations. Of course, there are a lot of people that will run from that, but I think there are quite a few who enjoy it.
 
I dunno... I think the review was pretty straight forward, and it doesn't really warrant what looks like a lot of aggressive questioning, Quero. Sorry if it wasn't intended that way,
Well, Uli, I appreciate your recognition that you have misinterpreted my post. It was not aggressive at all--merely trying to fill in the blanks.

but you said a few things that added information that was never given;


I have never had to wait for a few hours on a speedboat in or around Semporna, not sure where this comes from.
I didn't say that speedboats experience delays in Semporna; where did you get that? What I said was that since these dive pros work in Semporna, (which is a place where as a dive pro one must develop a certain "flexibility" in regard to how events unroll), they would likely be quite tolerant of the delay at Labuan Bajo. For an ordinary dive traveller this several-hour wait on a speedboat might not be as tolerable as it was for the OP. To me it would certainly seem strange. Why not wait on shore until the liveaboard boat came into range and radioed for the speedboat to meet it? (I suppose it could be that the boats don't have radios, but then that in itself would give me pause.)

The OP said that they accepted to go out to the boat a day early- seems like questioning CN dive about their safety or professionalism isn't relevant- its not like they were scheduled to pick up guests until the next day. Sounds like they got to stay on the boat overnight for free instead of hanging out in LBJ.
In my opinion, asking questions about safety and professionalism is always relevant when it comes to scuba diving.

Not sure that this is fair either and a little suggestive. Where did it suggest that they were untrained, AOW? Im sure it would shock most, but I have seen dozens of guides working on professional boats who have never officially done any type of diving course.
If in fact the guides were professionally qualified, the OP can easily clarify. In many cases in Indonesia, as you note, they are not. It costs more to hire professionally rated guides, so it's pretty common to find low budget ops employing people who know the reef like the back of their hand and are great critter spotters but who wouldn't have the first notion of what to do in the event of an emergency. It's up to the customer to decide whether that is an important factor to consider when deciding whether to book a cruise. I noted that for these particular customers, this would probably not have been a concern at all. However, for the majority of dive travellers, this is something to take into consideration, and therefore, I believe it is a "fair" question to ask.

My impressions of this operation is that it is a locally owned, and run, liveaboard that doesn't try to compete with luxury or "professional" diving operations. Of course, there are a lot of people that will run from that, but I think there are quite a few who enjoy it.
Local or not, luxury or not, accidents can happen on any boat, and if the operator is not prepared to deal with them in terms of adequate staff training and emergency equipment, the results could be unfortunate. For me safety always comes first. While it's great to support "local" operators and I don't have any issue diving off "basic" boats, I draw the line at safe practice. The OP simply didn't discuss any of the safety-related issues that I think of when considering spending any amount of money with any operator.

Uli, I asked about these details. The mere fact of asking for clarification does not equal criticism. You are reading far too much into my post. But no worries--I accept your pre-emptive apology:
Sorry if it wasn't intended that way,
 
The mere fact of asking for clarification does not equal criticism.

Of course not, and knowing about the safety of a boat is important for potential customers. As I said in my post, at the very start- the aggressive questioning, alluding to the conditions the OP experienced or assuming the operation they worked for required some "flexibility" isn't fair. I've already quoted you where this happened so I won't waste time quoting them again. It would be nice to hear back from the OP (or other members) regarding the safety of CN dive to get a little more information.
 
As I said in my post, at the very start- the aggressive questioning, alluding to the conditions the OP experienced or assuming the operation they worked for required some "flexibility" isn't fair.

It would be nice to hear back from the OP (or other members) regarding the safety of CN dive to get a little more information.
I agree that it would be nice to hear from the OP, which was why I asked the questions in the first place. While you interpret my questions as "aggressive," in fact they are not. They are simply questions--nothing more, nothing less. Asking a question is not an aggressive act.

As for flexibility, it doesn't have so much to do with what operation one works for, but rather that in places of high diver flow where a good portion of those divers are traveling on schedules that are not fixed, one really must develop a rather flexible way of working in order to keep the stress levels down.

Again, you are reading far more into my post than what I wrote. I would suggest you take what I write at face value rather than attempting to interpret my words through whatever negative filter you assume I've got since I can assure you that I do not have that filter and you will inevitably be mistaken in your conclusions. (When I read posts, I assume benevolent intentions whenever possible.)

Once more, I'm simply asking questions out of curiosity. The answers to the questions will just as equally be simply answers. It is what any reader of any review does with information that matters, and even then it matters only to that specific individual. It's hard for me to understand why you are so riled up in relation to my questions in this thread, but I am only briefly puzzled since I'm not happy trying to reading between the lines or making interpretations, so I just go "hmm" and let it go. If a point someone makes in a post has really piqued my interest, rather than read between the lines, I am likely ask questions for clarification, as I did of the OP. So far, I have no answers to those questions--only a challenge from you as to my fairness in asking them.

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By the way, as an effort towards clarity, here are the questions I asked in my post:
1) ...to what degree did it seem to you that this was a really professionally-run operation as opposed to something like going out diving with a friend who's got a boat?

2) I'm guessing also only air fills and no nitrox?

3) What about safety equipment? Was there emergency oxygen on board?

4) What was compressor maintenance like?
 
thks for yr trip report. may i ask if you got cell phone reception whilst there? and what was the water temp? i be going in August
 
1) ...to what degree did it seem to you that this was a really professionally-run operation as opposed to something like going out diving with a friend who's got a boat?

2) I'm guessing also only air fills and no nitrox?

3) What about safety equipment? Was there emergency oxygen on board?

4) What was compressor maintenance like?

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There was a very large bottle of oxygen on the boat, but more importantly the guides stressed the importance of safe diving practices on the first day, as they said the nearest compression chamber was in Bali. Of the 3 dive guides on the boat 1 was an instructor and the other 2 were dm's. No nitrox available on the boats, but in the 14 dives we did it wasn't really necessary in terms of bottom time as we weren't going very deep and we were having fairly long surface intervals between dives. They had two compressors on the boat that were regularly in use and informed us they had one more small one that was more of a back up. The boat was equipped with a radio and had cell coverage in the area also.
I do work and live in Semporna and have done for some time, but am not really used to long waits on speed boats!? I suppose we are fairly laid back about these things and think it's a good attitude to take when traveling in Indonesia. Just thought i should include that bit in the report for possible future guests so they wouldn't be a little surprised if it was the norm to have a few waits here and there. We were just really please to get to the boat a day early, so we could start diving first thing the next day.

Decemal86 we did receive cell phone coverage the whole trip and the water temp was averaging 28/29C thankfully with a couple of dives at around 27C, we just wore 3mm tops the whole time.

That does bring me to another point I wanted to make but forgot.....CN dive has very limited, to no rental gear. If you don't have your own equipment they advise you rent it in Labuan Bajo which they will help you organize.

I hope that as answered all your questions, Post seems to have created more interest than anticipated.

Any more queries, don't hesitate to ask.

Thanks, Rory

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That is a very good point you have made,could not agree more.Recently i was paid some compliments how i conducted things down to simple things as requesting dive card,logbook and passport for intro etc.. and the fact i restricted 2 divers without dive card as they forgot to bring it.to a intro dive and restricted to only dive to 18m even thou they said they were rescue divers and they got angry with me and told them if they did not shut up,then no diving as really no card no diving.week later same thing happened with 2 divers.this time no diving.within 24hrs had fax of card.But this is how things should be

I am confused. Why not just check them online?
 
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