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Holy smokes, what a bunch of elitist crap. With your attitude the guys before you should have kept your butt out of the water....Lord, knows we don't need this new guy tearing the place up.

This sport will never be mainstreamed....but it sure could use a modern day Cousteau....cause Lord knows the likes of you will not be inviting many people to join the sport.

Maybe you should spend some time examining why you feel this need for the hordes of mindless lemmings out there to approve your recreational activities.
The wider community will only wreck it. There is nothing good in this world that can survive being "discovered" by the mainstream.
 
Jason, your facts and reason are a breath of fresh air. I don't usually get involved in discussions on SB were people are flaming....not worth the time. But, it is the attitude of some who have replied to you...that is the very reason why people stay away from this sport.

Your facts are well taken, and although we probably won't solve the problem here it is a discussion worth having....probably for many years to come. It is a good thread, thanks for bringing it up.

Well.

I guess the most difficult part is trying to have a respectful discussion.

But let's accept you feel what you do. Back to my point..

Diving has a high attrition rate - according to one study, only 7% of Divers ever Dive after one year of Certification. It also has a poor retention rate - by one estimate less than 20% of all Divers who continue Diving after the first year ever become "Active Divers", defined in one study as those who Dive at least more than once a year.

Additionally, new Diver Certifications have declined by roughly 2.5% each year for the last two decades. And the demographic of Diving continues to climb, with the median age now at 46.

And finally, in a 2003 survey, non-divers, when asked why they didn't want to be certified gave these as some of the primary reasons:
• Its an “isolated” experience
• It is too difficult
• It is too dangerous or frightening
• It is too boring
• There are concerns about the quality of training
• People don’t know where to learn
• There is no-one to do it with

SO, the question is not so much about my personal decision to destroy the entire Dive Industry with my crass motives, but INSTEAD to try to find a way to help an ailing industry that allows us to do what we love...

I have spoken to a number of very dedicated but listing Dive Shop owners who have struggled in the last few years. And the prospects are even worse for the industry with a possible recession looming...

The question is how to help the Sport - or activity - we all love so much, how to help it reach out to new people so that it can flourish..

All that being said, your unbridled verbage actually made my wife and I laugh... And I apologize I upset you so much...
 
Diving has a high attrition rate - according to one study, only 7% of Divers ever Dive after one year of Certification. It also has a poor retention rate - by one estimate less than 20% of all Divers who continue Diving after the first year ever become "Active Divers", defined in one study as those who Dive at least more than once a year.

But orders of magnitude more people GET certified than 20 years ago, and, in the end, there are more active divers than there used to be. Maybe there doesn't need to be meteoric growth. Manage the business; not the share price, as it were.

Additionally, new Diver Certifications have declined by roughly 2.5% each year for the last two decades.

That's patently false. PADI has seen huge growth in new certs.

And the demographic of Diving continues to climb, with the median age now at 46.

Cite? When 10 year olds are getting certified, that's dubious.

And finally, in a 2003 survey, non-divers, when asked why they didn't want to be certified gave these as some of the primary reasons:
• Its an “isolated” experience

Well, let's cater to the collectivist lemmings then.

• It is too difficult

PADI's got that one covered, but again, why should diving help the rise of learned helplessness and mediocrity? We need MORE things that are difficult, before we have a society of people who cower at the prospect of wiping their own behind.

• It is too dangerous or frightening

And we fight THIS by making it bloodsport?

• It is too boring

Why not spike the air tanks with vaporized Ritalin? Honestly, do we NEED to contribute to the collective shrinking of attention spans?

• There are concerns about the quality of training

And using flash in the pan sensationalism and pre-adolescent bloodthirsty degeneracy as a marketing ploy, thus attracting MORE immediate gratification adrenalin junkies with attention deficits is going to ameliorate this HOW? That's like addressing the lack of quality in high school education by encouraging severely behaviorally handicapped four year olds to skip to the 9th grade.

SO, the question is not so much about my personal decision to destroy the entire Dive Industry with my crass motives, but INSTEAD to try to find a way to help an ailing industry

Except it's more of the medicine that's spoiled much of diving already.

that allows us to do what we love...

Your claimed love for diving sounds like Obama's recent faux pas - "We live in the greatest country in history; please work with me to change it."

Your strategy won't help diving, because it will only attract the sort of developmentally arrested perpetual adolescents who will never achieve the earning power to support it. When their parents eventually throw them out and make them support themselves, they won't be able to afford diving, and they won't stick with it. Even if they can afford diving, they'll dump it in a New York minute for the next trendy activity that crosses their ever shifting field of vision. That's why diving has such poor retention rates now. PADI's constant lowering the commitment and effort bar has attracted people only interested in getting their experience ticket punched, then moving on to bungee jumping or whatever else everyone is talking about at the bar this week. All they want is the ability, when the topic of diving comes up, to say "been there, done that, got the t-shirt" and then brag about the NEW thing they're into now. Your sensationalist, over-commercialized approach doesn't attract people who make long term commitments - it attracts the attention-challenged who flit from one interest to another. The only reason skate- and snowboarding holds them so well is the whole slacker/stoner flavor of it; is that what you want for diving?
 
Sad when people say that something will NEVER be popular

Why? Why does it need to be popular? Drug and alcohol abuse is popular. What's so great about lowest common denominator approval?

I love how the SB "cold water committee" shows up anytime someone suggests something new.

First, it's not new - elements of the industry have been screaming for mainstream popularity for years.

Instead of labeling any objection as resistance to anything new, why not focus on the nature of the actual new thing and why there are objections.
 
Holy smokes, what a bunch of elitist crap.

Yeah, I'm sure Jerry Springer says the same thing about critics of his show.

With your attitude the guys before you should have kept your butt out of the water....Lord, knows we don't need this new guy tearing the place up.

So sorry I don't endorse your race to the bottom thinking.

My attitude is just fine. I think diving is great without P.T. Barnum taking over.
I find it enjoyable without noisy shiny packaging.
 
I am organizing a dive competition. First event is seeing how deep you can go on an aluminum 80 and how fast you can come back up. I will be announcing the date of this competition right after I open my new business- FUNERALS ARE US. "We love morons, we don't judge em, just plant em".
 
There already is such a competition; it's called the Darwin Awards.

Note - I wasn't suggesting it's a good idea. I was simply answering a question.
 
I frequently engage in a competition while diving. I am the first to splash at the dive site, and my challenge is to be the last one back on the boat, within the self-imposed condition that I am on the boat with 500 psi remaining in the tank.

The point of this competition is to get maximum time underwater to enjoy all there is to see. The factors affecting my success are avoiding excess movements (absolutely no arm waving), learning to work with the currents instead of kicking against them, using structure for shelter from current, deep slow breathing, and reaching a zen-like calm state where I keep my heart rate down. Usually I "win" and get the longest dive of anyone on the boat.
 
How many people can go auto racing on the weekends? How many people can go diving on the weekends? I think it's much easier to get into diving than Nascar. Granted, illegal street racing is popular, but it's illegal for a reason, it puts many people at risk. And there are forms of more "recreational" racing, I know, living in Gainesville, the home of Gator Nationals. But many of those people aren't just weekend racers, they have devoted their lives to it. They own cars and trailers and know how to work on both, that takes time and money.

I could be wrong on this point though, I don't know much about car racing. But I know that just last month a young man was pushing the limits of diving in Ginnie Springs and paid for it not only with his life, but also with the sorrow of his fiance. Is it really worth it?!?[/QUOTE

Actually in the past I did some auto racing at the local dirt tracts. I know more weekend auto racers than I know divers. It was easier and less expensive to go racing on a weekend than it was to go diving. At least I won some money to defray the cost of racing.
When someone says auto racing the first thing that comes to most peoples mind is NASCAR or Indy professional racing but there are tens of thousands of people racing at local tracks every weekend.
 
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