Brass / Stainless Buckles vs Ali Carabiner

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brass/bronze..

brass is copper and zinc

bronze is copper and tin

Brass, in all grades is unsuitable for seawater -- the zinc leaches right out. may take a bit. but the material deteriorates. you are left with (mostly) pure copper, which is soft.

Bronze, well it depends. some bronze is only a bit better than brass. bronze alloyed with phosphorus has great corrosion resistance, and strength. It is also self lubricating, and not to likely gall.

Stainless, again depends on the alloy. some alloys have great corrosion resistance others less so.


Regulator bodies are often made of quality bronze, but i have not seen brass ones (doesn't mean they don't exist).

Bronze is the only material used for through hull underwater fitting on boats that are constantly in sea water. Bronze will last indefinitely in sea water.
I have had boats that spent their whole life in sea water with the original bronze through hull fittings.
I have never seen stainless through hull fittings used under water, only on above water through hull fittings.

Most regulators are made of naval brass.

Naval Brass Bar and Plate

From the Rampage Yatchs web site.
•316 stainless steel hull side through-hull fittings
•Bronze underwater through-hull fittings
Rampage

In a word stainless for underwater fittings on a boat is a no no.

Bronze marine grade snaps are available, they just aren't shiney and pretty like stainless if that is what turns you on.

http://www.sea-dog.com/cgi-bin/webd...&_layout=pdfs&pdfs.itemgroup=Snaps & Shackles

Although stainless steel has good corrosion properties it is not always the best material for sea water service. Coast Guard regulations does not allow stainless steel for boat fuel tanks because of chloride induced cracking.
 
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Is it odd that I prefer marine brass snaps over stainless. many of my brass snaps and clips have been on well over 1000 dives and several multi-week trips. They have never had a problem , froze or got stiff. And the only clip that has ever cut me was SS. Gate clips have their time and place I like one on my lobster bag, but that is it. Otherwise it is blot snaps. Large AL beaners have almost no place in salt water. The only time I use one is on a hoist line to pull me up on to a large vessel. then It is a special auto lock one made by Wichard sailing for salt water use they're about $50 a pop.
 
...umm, brass is not even remotely in the same league as SS on suitability in seawater. I've noticed substantial deterioration with brass clips on something as short as a one week long trip on a liveaboard......

If you have had brass clips deteriorate over a single week you were either using plastic clips coated in metallic spray paint or diving in acid.
 
In 30 plus years of diving (mostly in saltwater) I have always used gold colored barrel clips that were purchased from the local hardware. I assume they are brass and not bronze. I've never had a spring fail. I did however, have a large brass clip, completely wear out due to abrasion of a catch bag that finally wore completely through the brass clip (it basically started to wear a groove in the clip and then slowly cut completely through the brass). This took a number of years and was on a weight belt that was used for commercial diving.

The good stainless clips are probably better, but I just put a drop of oil on the trigger of a clip every few months if I have not been using it a lot. If you use the clip every weekend and dunlk the gear in freshwater, the brass clips should last a long time.

One of my pet peaves is the use of suicide clips. So many dive shops sell them, so many divers use them and I have personally been involved with one serious accidental clip-off situation. My buddy kept a large brass gate clip on the neck of a 72 steel oxygen bottle that we used for deco and hang from the side of the boat on a 20 ft rope. I bitched about the clip but it was not my gear.

One day, when it was pretty rough I was trying to do my usual solo safety stop on oxygen bottle. I was breathing off the oxygen tank and somehow the damn thing self clipped to one or two of the reg hoses coming off my first stage. I ended up with a steel tank, violently slamming up and down, clipped to the back of my head and bashing me in the head with enough force to make me see stars. It took me a few moments to discern what the problem was and it was quite a mess with me being unable to get away from the hammering oxygen tank unless I took my tank off and my hands were full with a speargun and spear and I had fish clipped off on my waist also. I was REALLY pissed off when I had to come to the surface and started to scream "help".. get this F'n thing off me. I suppose I could have also quickly removed the BC, but with the rough conditions and the tank flying up and down 4 feet with each side to side roll of the boat, it got bad very fast.

I also saw my wife, get a gate clip accidentally clipped around an anchor rope on descent on a night dive (I suppose we could have cut the anchor line :D:D). Once attached there was no way to open the clip up, without removal of her scuba unit underwater. Took us a few minutes to work it out and continue a dive. Something as simple as a gate clip, automatically clipping to something can be a huge problem (even on an open water dive) and it is entirely unnecessary. I get so pissed about it, I almost always say something to other divers when I see the gate clip.

I've personally seen the light (well it was stars anyway) and follow the rule of no metal-to-metal connection, so I can always (unless I loose my knives) cut a jamed or broken clip off my gear and I don't use suicide clips.
 
I like the brass clips as well. They are way cheaper and so far have made it through alot of dives.

Just watch out for Hydrogen sulfide layers such as Hudson grotto.... I guess they match my rig better now.
 
I've had the thumb-slide channel on a brass clip sharpen with use to the point that it sliced through my dry glove... it would have been my thumb had I not been wearing them. I could have added "file the sharp edges off my clips" to my maintainence list, but I switched to stainless steel after that and haven't had any sort of clip problem since.
 
wow, i have both stainless steel clips and brass clips (i just bought some brass clips today at lowes).

I wish i had an opinion on this issue because there are some really good points in this post. Great job everybody.
 
Some people don't mind that ugly green colour (and if someone used that as a criterion for choosing gear I'd raise an eyebrow).
Brass or SS; I will use either without fear of imminent death.
 
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