Emergency Ascent from 110 feet

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This happened a few days ago in the Blue Hole in Belize, the most famous divespot around, with very good visibility (100+ feet) and warm water. Our group, not too experienced, went down to 130 (!) feet to see the small cavern / overhead. We signal ok signs with my buddy every couple of minutes or so. The visibility is great, and everyone were (told to be) causios about possible signs of narcosis at this depth. We start to go up, when a lone bullshark arrives to check on us. We were informed on them, but it's a thrilling sight. I check my buddy and he is ok.

Starting ascend and at around 110-120 feet, my buddy doesn't respond to the ok sign anymore but shakes his head violently. Not understanding whats going on I get closer, supposing narcosis, the violent shaking continues, I see panic in his eyes and he starts to ascend rapidly. As just a recreational diver I don't know what how to react, but the instructor arrives instantly and replaces diver's regulator with his extra one. Together controlled by the instructor they start a rapid ascent. I join the rest of the group and can only hope for the best.

Doing a rapid ascent from this depth is really dangerous. My buddy had deeply inhaled water and was choking (violent shaking). No safety stop was done, but he remained (barely) concious. In the boat he was pale and in shock, given instantly pure oxygen. Divesite is 80 miles from mainland and the closest chamber in San Pedro, both are put in alert. Mediheli is not immediately called since it comes with a price of 8000 USD My buddy is controlled, talked with, and especially asked if any timbling on feet or hands is felt. He appeared in shock but ok. They had come up from at least 110 feet with what the instructor said was ~80% from maximum speed with no safety stops, buddy almost fainting on the way.

This event shocked me for couple of days and still does, especially the feeling of not knowing what to do is something I never want to re-experience. It was the last day of the trip (for me) but I want to do te rescue diver and first aid courses immediately when possible. My buddy was controlled for symptoms for the next 48 hours - quite amazingly he seems to be totally ok.

There are quite a few points here - We were all inexperienced (10-60 dives) in a group of 7 going to deeper than most of the people had ever been. It was an exciting spot in the first place, and then the bullsharks. It turned out that there was an another emergency ascent, not at all so sever, but resulting for both divemasters/instructors ending up to the surface and the group of five including myself left alone - we were ok, did safety stop circled by three bulls and fear what of what was possibly waiting on the surface.

Later my buddy said he inhaled water while turning his head backward and chekcking the shark. The regu may have leaked or slipped. He was chocking and felt he couldn't breath. When chocking he also lost his mask but was able to put it back on. Some level of breathing was possible even with water in the lungs. So was panicing here an overreaction? Easy for us to say. The buddy was inexperienced with about 20 dives. He said the regu had been leaking "little bit" on the way down. Maybe it slightly slipped. How often the operators check their equipment and are leaking regus common? Luckily never had one myself.

I am interested to hear the lessons you readers come up with this incident. I have never witnessed such a close call before. My buddy said he was sure he would not make it. I wasn't sure either, at least I expected CPR or the chamber, but it seems pure oxygen took care of the job. This must have been crucial.

Blue Hole is the #1 attraction here, and everyone had paid a bug buck to get there. It's great business for the dive operators, they wouldnt stop taking us unexperienced people here even probably many of us think they shouldn't. Chamber and mediheli also sound obvious, but this wasn't done in fear of costs. Everyone should make sure what their insurance actually covers when jumping into the water - this time nobody knew. Don't the operators have insurances?

How can you ascend from 110 feet rapidly without any symptons - is 48 hours enough to recognise them? There were two people who ascended from this depth.
 
During OW training, it is taught that rapid ascents can cause lung-overexpansion and/or arterial gas embolism (AGE). Both would be recognized shortly after surfacing. It's unlikely that anyone on the dive, much less your buddy, experienced a problematic level of nitrogen load. The primary concern for your buddy in the incident as described is AGE. That's why the DM/crew were monitoring for neurological signs/symptoms.

I highly recommend taking a Rescue class to help you think through all of your actions in scuba-related emergencies. In the incident you described, Rescue training would have been very helpful.

You asked whether panicking was an "overreaction" to choking on sea water and losing one's mask. An experienced diver most likely would have been able to avoid this dangerous situation. Laryngospasm can occur in response to getting water in the airway/lungs. An experienced diver should be able to overcome a little choking under water by keeping the reg in mouth and continuing breathing, but I guess it all depends on the severity of the choking and whether laryngospasm was involved. It's important to note that even experienced divers can panic. The way to conquer panic is to head it off before it even manifests. This includes stacking the deck in your favor: not undertaking dives beyond your experience/training and not introducing too many "new" variables into the dive (new site, new dive op, new sharks, new depth, using rental equipment for the first time, etc.).

Your buddy complained that the regulator was a little leaky. If you are going to be using rental equipment, I highly recommend doing a comprehensive pre-dive check of the reg and BCD.

Inexperienced divers should not be diving beyond recreational depth limits. Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised if the dive op had only supplied the divers with an 80 cu ft. capacity tank. That Blue Hole dive is something that shouldn't be attempted by novices who lack experience in deep diving (effects of narcosis) and gas management. Just my 2 psi.

I'm glad that you and your buddy made it out of this one OK. Kudos to the DM/crew for managing the situation properly...once the emergency already occurred, that is.
 
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Well done on your buddy surviving.

People more experienced can chip in with what could have been done better. Sounds like a lot was done well, especially the guides immediate reaction to the event.

Two quick things however:
1. $8,000 is small change compared to a life
2. Sounds like some or most of the divers there shouldn't have been - completely reliant on the guide and beyond their training. That's a dangerous place to be and the only person to pay the ultimate price is the diver that does that 'trust me' dive.

Anyhow. Well done for making it home in one piece. Have a long think about it and lap up the advice you get here. It'll serve you in good stead.

J
 
Mike, sometimes all it takes to get water in your mouth as you inhale is a tear in the mouthpiece. It happened to me way back and felt like my reg was leaking. I sort of "sipped" on it lightly and then sent it in for service, not knowing what the cause was. I was told it was a torn mouthpiece and it was changed. I probably could have discovered that myself, but I then knew from that to check all gear well before splashing in.

Having done the Blue Hole, I also believe it is not a dive for newer or non-proficient divers or those who are inexperienced with deep dives but it unfortunately does happen often.

A good Rescue course is fantastic not only to help other divers but also provides you with the tools to self-rescue and be more aware of everything/everyone around you. Rescue was the one of the best dive courses I ever took! :wink:
 
this happened a few days ago in the blue hole in belize, the most famous divespot around, with very good visibility (100+ feet) and warm water. Our group, not too experienced, went down to 130 (!) feet to see the small cavern / overhead. We signal ok signs with my buddy every couple of minutes or so. The visibility is great, and everyone were (told to be) causios about possible signs of narcosis at this depth. We start to go up, when a lone bullshark arrives to check on us. We were informed on them, but it's a thrilling sight. I check my buddy and he is ok.

Starting ascend and at around 110-120 feet, my buddy doesn't respond to the ok sign anymore but shakes his head violently. Not understanding whats going on i get closer, supposing narcosis, the violent shaking continues, i see panic in his eyes and he starts to ascend rapidly. As just a recreational diver i don't know what how to react, but the instructor arrives instantly and replaces diver's regulator with his extra one. Together controlled by the instructor they start a rapid ascent. I join the rest of the group and can only hope for the best.

Doing a rapid ascent from this depth is really dangerous. My buddy had deeply inhaled water and was choking (violent shaking). No safety stop was done, but he remained (barely) concious. In the boat he was pale and in shock, given instantly pure oxygen. Divesite is 80 miles from mainland and the closest chamber in san pedro, both are put in alert. Mediheli is not immediately called since it comes with a price of 8000 usd my buddy is controlled, talked with, and especially asked if any timbling on feet or hands is felt. He appeared in shock but ok. They had come up from at least 110 feet with what the instructor said was ~80% from maximum speed with no safety stops, buddy almost fainting on the way.

This event shocked me for couple of days and still does, especially the feeling of not knowing what to do is something i never want to re-experience. It was the last day of the trip (for me) but i want to do te rescue diver and first aid courses immediately when possible. My buddy was controlled for symptoms for the next 48 hours - quite amazingly he seems to be totally ok.

There are quite a few points here - we were all inexperienced (10-60 dives) in a group of 7 going to deeper than most of the people had ever been. It was an exciting spot in the first place, and then the bullsharks. It turned out that there was an another emergency ascent, not at all so sever, but resulting for both divemasters/instructors ending up to the surface and the group of five including myself left alone - we were ok, did safety stop circled by three bulls and fear what of what was possibly waiting on the surface.

Later my buddy said he inhaled water while turning his head backward and chekcking the shark. The regu may have leaked or slipped. He was chocking and felt he couldn't breath. When chocking he also lost his mask but was able to put it back on. Some level of breathing was possible even with water in the lungs. So was panicing here an overreaction? Easy for us to say. The buddy was inexperienced with about 20 dives. He said the regu had been leaking "little bit" on the way down. Maybe it slightly slipped. How often the operators check their equipment and are leaking regus common? Luckily never had one myself.

I am interested to hear the lessons you readers come up with this incident. I have never witnessed such a close call before. My buddy said he was sure he would not make it. I wasn't sure either, at least i expected cpr or the chamber, but it seems pure oxygen took care of the job. This must have been crucial.

Blue hole is the #1 attraction here, and everyone had paid a bug buck to get there. It's great business for the dive operators, they wouldnt stop taking us unexperienced people here even probably many of us think they shouldn't. Chamber and mediheli also sound obvious, but this wasn't done in fear of costs. Everyone should make sure what their insurance actually covers when jumping into the water - this time nobody knew. Don't the operators have insurances?

How can you ascend from 110 feet rapidly without any symptons - is 48 hours enough to recognise them? There were two people who ascended from this depth.

absolutely not!!have him go to his dr. Immediately and tell him what happend, problems do not have to happend now, they can happen later.
 
absolutely not!!have him go to his dr. Immediately and tell him what happend, problems do not have to happend now, they can happen later.
What is his doctor supposed to do with a patient that comes in with no symptoms, but with a suspicion that some may appear later on?
 
absolutely not!!have him go to his dr. Immediately and tell him what happend, problems do not have to happend now, they can happen later.
Yes, of course, DCI symptoms can crop up after a 48 hr period, but it's unlikely considering that the buddy has not experienced any overt symptoms. Without any specific symptoms, a trip to the doctor would be a waste of time IMHO.
 
It is very unfortunate that this type of Trust Me diving is allowed. From what I have seen of destination dive shop rental gear, divers should not be using it in a pool, nevermind a 130' dive that is likely twice as deep as they have gone in the past. You mentioned taking a rescue course. It would be ideal if every diver would go up to at least a rescue level. A lot of incidents such as this one could be either avoided or handled much better. You stated that the instructor on the dive shot to the surface with the diver experiencing problems. He should have known better than to endanger himself AND the victim. One of the things taught in any rescue course is to not make yourself into a second victim.

Secondly. If anyone looking at this post is considering going to dive the blue hole. Please, evaluate your own experience. You can always go back some other day when you have the required experience. Further training is a great asset, but nothing replaced experience.
 
Yes, of course, DCI symptoms can crop up after a 48 hr period, but it's unlikely considering that the buddy has not experienced any overt symptoms. Without any specific symptoms, a trip to the doctor would be a waste of time IMHO.

should go to a medical facility..not too comcerned about DCS as it would not likely be as delayed for 48hrs,but a possible near drowning as this should be investigated.Your buddy sounds like he made few mistakes.
1. so little experience diving he should not have been that deep.
2.using faulty rental equipment,good reason to own your own.
3. Doing a "trust me" dive ..
OP stated there was another individual that made a emergency ascent ..So that is 2 people out of 7 that had issues on that dive..thats 2 too many..the dive operator should be questioned on why they take inexperienced people to that location.Sounds like a shady operation that should be avoided.
 
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