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I ran those calculations through my Oceanic Dive Log which calculates everything all you do is enter the info Based on those figures His sac rate was actually .543 Without knowing for sure the Average Depth. If for argument we say his average depth over the Dive is 30' His SAC rate would be a .285 but we have to know his exact average depth to get an Accurate sac rate as the average Depth will change this a lot.
 
Then usng those calculation it comes out to a SAC of .236 on Oceanics software
 
Unless its a steel 80 and he had it underfilled to the 3000 he specified.

Then the volume would be off - but his SAC woul dbe even lower:confused:

A Worthington (XS Scuba) high pressure steel will have a capacity of 81 ft3 at the service pressure of 3442 psi.

Assuming it is a Worthington HP Steel let's plug in your numbers...
Manni, as you see above, I did specify in my calculations that I am assuming he's using a Worthington HP Steel 80. My intent with that post is not to exactly determine his SAC rate, but to illustrate how SAC rate calculations are done. The OP hasn't specified what kind of steel 80 he is using.

Overfilling a tank, underfilling, or even starting a dive with a half full tank doesn't make any change in SAC rate calculations. In an S80 aluminium 80 one psi equals 0.0258 ft3 irrespective of whether that psi was consumed when that tank had a total of 3500 psi or 200 psi. Likewise in a Worthington HP Steel 80, one psi equals 0.0235 ft3 regardless of that one psi being taken at 4000 psi or at 100 psi.

Then usng those calculation it comes out to a SAC of .236 on Oceanics software
If we're going to be working in imperial we need the tank's service pressure (psi), its true capacity (ft3), psi consumed, time (mins) to consume said psi, and average depth (ATAs). You do not specify which numbers you entered into the software. It is hard to defend my calculations without knowing how you got your numbers. Just saying, "this is what the computer outputs" doesn't tell me much. I'm not infallible, but I do believe the calculations I detailed are correct. If you believe they are incorrect, please point out where is my error.

Again, my intent is not to figure out to a 3 decimal place accuracy the OP's SAC rate. I just wanted to illustrate how you can figure out your SAC rate. .202 and .236 is really not that different in real life. But [-]saying[/-] concluding that the procedure I followed is incorrect because the Oceanic Software throws out a slightly different number is another matter.
 
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I used the Numbers that were mentioned earlier. Starting Pressure of 3000 Ending 2200 Max Depth of 48 AVg depth of 43 Bottom time of 38. Atleast thats what I think I used. Either way its close and not a big deal to me.

But saying that the procedure I followed is incorrect because the Oceanic Software throws out a slightly different number is another matter.

I never said that your procedure was incorrect. I simply just put the info from the data Log up.
 
To answer any questions people may be having....

I am 5'8 120 pounds.
The tank was aluminum.
All the figures I posted earlier are accurate.

I am sorry if there was any confusion.:confused:
 
I never said that your procedure was incorrect. I simply just put the info from the data Log up.
You are correct. I changed the word "saying" to "concluding". And I'm not implying that you concluded anything. These posts are seen by many more people than just the ones actively participating in the discussion. When I write these, I am not just thinking of them being directed only to the OP or the people contributing to the thread.

My concern is that John Doe, who's not a scubaboard member asks Google how to calculate SAC rates. Google throws out this thread and they see a difference between Oceanic Software and my calculations. Then they conclude my calculations must be wrong and John Doe gives up on trying to learn how to calculate SAC rates manually. He further concludes that he needs to get an air integrated computer to know SAC rates.

All those calculations can be easily bundled into a single more concise equation. But I broke them down step by step so that it would be easy to spot and understand what is going on and what a SAC rate really means.

Please don't take this personally or as a show of animosity to you. It is hard to convey tone and non-verbal cues in written communications. :)
 
To answer any questions people may be having....

I am 5'8 120 pounds.
The tank was aluminum.
All the figures I posted earlier are accurate.

I am sorry if there was any confusion.:confused:

How did you determine your average depth?

Thats my only question. I have had dives of ridiculously low SAC's as well, some in the high .2x's, most are in the high .3x's and never more than .4x's... The math to figure out average depth is next to impossible for the average dive most people do... Here's an example of why: On my average guided dive with certified divers along the wall, I'll take them to about 70 feet for about 20-25 minutes, air consumption permitting, then ascend to the top of the wall, usually around 30 feet, for the remainder of the dive, we get back to the boat, hang out under the boat, 750 psi, ascend, safety stop, back on the boat... Now, casually, you may say thats easy to calculate the average depth, but lets look at the reality of it. After its all said and done, our dive computer says 60 minutes. We easily say, well, ok, we had a max depth of 70 feet, we did that for half a dive, then followed the top of the wall, 30 feet for half a dive - 70+30 = 100, divide by 2 for average, we say 50 feet. Its not that easy though. It was really 25 minutes at a max of 70 feet, that was really spent somewhere between 60 and 70 feet, then it was 32 minutes at 30 feet, which was really spent somewhere between 20 and 30 feet, then it was 3 minutes at a safety stop... Boy the math just got way harder. Weighted average, geez... (70x25 + 30x32 + 15x3) / 60 Now, our average depth is 45.9 feet. Not a huge difference, but, lets average using 65 feet as our average deep part and 25 feet as our average shallow depth. Save all the math, its a little deeper than 41 feet. Now, lets input my average true SAC (as computed by my dive computer) and say it calculated it using my 41 foot average depth. Simply changing the way I found the average depth, it could mean I artificially changed my SAC to a much lower .34.

Now, if you found average depth the correct way (by knowing exact time at all your different depths), then I digress.

One other way of artificially changing what your SAC rate appears is by having either a tank or SPG off a little. We fill all of our tanks to 3000 psi, give or take. Every once in a while, after its cool, some end up close to 3200 psi. Also, I've seen SPG's vary a few hundred psi one direction or the other and nothing really be wrong with them. Lets see how that effects our SAC calculations. For instance, take my 3200 psi tank, then couple that with a SPG that is off a few hundred, and you might start with what seems like a 2900 psi tank per your gauge, but in actuality has 300 more psi than your gauge thinks. Well, gauges are usually off through their whole spectrum, thing is, that they are off more, the higher pressure you get. So, lets take my same .38 SAC with a gauge that reads 2900, but is really filled to 3200, and breathe it down to 1000 psi, where the gauge will probably read more like 900 psi. Over the course of the dive, according to the gauge, I used 2000 psi, but with a proper gauge, I used 2200 psi. Lets see what happens when we change this variable. Instead of my proper .38 SAC, I really was breathing closer to .41 SAC... (well, not really, but for this demo)

So, as you can see, if you could stand to read that all, that it is very easy to manipulate your SAC just by changing the way you mentally read things...

Now, here is the deal - so long as you aren't coming back with headaches and such, you are probably breathing plenty. O2 uptake isn't typically a problem diving, as you could theoretically breathe in half as much at 10m/33 feet and still get enough O2, however, you won't get rid of nearly as much CO2 as you need to get rid of. How do we tell if you have too much CO2, well, headaches are one way, and maybe someone else will chime in with the other ways to tell. Aside from bragging rights, SAC isn't terribly important, so long as you are planning dives, following those plans, and watching NDL's a tad closer than the guy that breathes down a full AL80 at 30 feet in less than 30 minutes...
 
One thing I learned the hard way was even though I can force myself to use less air, it is not worth it.

Specifically I started playing wind instruments at the age of 8 (french horn, trombone, baritone & tuba), some of the skills I learned were breath control and I can and did apply it (or misapply) it to diving and force my SAC down way below its normal rate of .4-.5 at times when I was younger. However I payed for this with really bad headaches from CO2 buildup and in hind site was pretty lucky I did not black out and kill myself.
 
Please don't take this personally or as a show of animosity to you. It is hard to convey tone and non-verbal cues in written communications.

None taken, I was more same line as I didnt want you thinking I was taken anything away from your figures or your step by step How to figure out SAC rate
 

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