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I recently got my OW and was surprised to read this. I was under the impression that serious divers naturally took the next level of training as soon as they could.

Why not?

Some people think experience and diving with mentors/people better than you will teach you a lot, so you can save your time and money by just going diving and learning through trial and error and gaining experience over time. I somewhat agree about my AOW course, but I'm still very glad I took it. I did 6 dives in my course, so really, the course cost just about the same as going on 6 dives without a course... and it's a requirement for the rescue diver course, which most will agree on is the best course they ever took. Also, for now I'm still more of a vacation diver and I don't have any regular dive buddies, so paying for a course is like hiring a private buddy/mentor for the day in which I can learn from. As CamG always says, "Keep diving, keep training, keep learning", and you'll usually learn something on every dive!
 
The other thing is that some AOW courses are no more than a "taste" of so called "advanced dives" and don't really impart any new skills. While there are others like the ones offered by several instructors on this board that will challenge you, give you real new skills, and while not making you in any way an advanced diver; will give you a better idea of how to become one and the tools to work on to do that. Some AOW courses will also not be ones that you pay for and get a card. Instructors will set entry and exit requirements above the agency standards that you must meet.
 
I recently got my OW and was surprised to read this. I was under the impression that serious divers naturally took the next level of training as soon as they could.

Why not?

One thing that has been discussed on SB from time to time is when to take AOW. Do you do it ASAP after OW or wait and get some diving under your belt. When I was certified back in 91, my instructor suggested that instead of just signing up for the next course right away, I should gain some experience. Part of his reasoning was that some folks initially get all caught up in the excitement of diving but for many, it quickly fades away. So he said before you put any more money into it, go out and dive and make sure this was something you felt you would stick with.

So for the next year, I took three dive trips. One was to the Florida springs, one to the Keys, and one to Cozumel. I don't remember exactly how many dives I got in but it was a pretty good amount. ( maybe 50) The trips to the Keys and Cozumel was with a friend who had been diving for years and was even fully cave certified so he had a lot of experience. Like PansSiren suggested, you can learn a great deal from a mentor/experienced friend and that's what I did.

So why did I even take AOW? Well I was told that in order to dive off the coast of NC and to dive many other places I would need to be able to show that I had been trained to that level. So I took it. But by the time I took the course, I already had numerous deeper dives in the 80 - 120 ft range as well as three to four night dives. I already knew how to use a compass but I will say that the AOW course refreshed those skills although now I don't even carry a compass on dives.

I'm not really sorry I took the course but looking back I can't say anything about it improved on the skills or knowledge I had already developed to that point. If there was one highlight it was being able to ride my instructors scooter around the wrecks off our coast! That was fun. :D

I don't ever measure how serious a diver is by how many courses or cert cards they have. I judge it by how much time they are spending underwater.
 
I recently got my OW and was surprised to read this. I was under the impression that serious divers naturally took the next level of training as soon as they could.

Why not?

There are two major schools of thought regarding AOW. One is that you should take it as soon after OW as possible, and the other is that you should wait and get some experience first. Which approach is preferable depends on what you want to get out of it and how your instructor wants to teach it. Both have advantages and drawbacks.

Let's look at the "soon after" approach first ... this is for people who are going after the experience of different diving environments. You're still struggling with the skills you were introduced to in OW ... probably your bouyancy control isn't very good, you have a tendency to "correct" your position using your arms, and you suck down a tank of air so fast the sides of the tank move when you inhale. So when your instructor sells you on the idea of a few more dives under his/her supervision, it makes a lot of sense to you, and you buy it. And it's true that you'll experience some different environments ... but a lot of people leave those classes feeling like they didn't learn anything, because the material that got covered ... if any ... was basically a review of OW. If they cover anything new at all it'll be in the areas of deep and night diving, and perhaps some navigation skills that may be a bit more than the simple reciprocal stuff you learned in OW.

Now let's look at the "wait and get some experience" approach ... this is for people who are trying to expand their knowledge as well as their experience. It's generally more difficult to find these classes ... because they're harder and more expensive to teach, and most instructors don't teach this way. The tipoff will be an instructor who encourages you to go out and do some easy dives, getting comfortable with your OW skills ... because that means they're anticipating that you'll need that "bandwidth" for focusing on new skills that will come with the class. These classes tend to dig a bit deeper into dive planning, more complex navigation, buoyancy control, trim and weighting, and perhaps other refinements. There may be some fun exercises, like a navigation "treasure hunt", learning to use lift bags and SMB's, and other types of skills that you'll find useful as an independent diver. In fact, the primary goal of this type of AOW class will be to train you to have the competence and confidence to dive comfortably without supervision. The major drawbacks are that you'll have to first find someone to dive with for a while, you'll have to put more effort into the class, and it will probably cost you a bit more.

Which approach works better for you depends on whether or not you learn best by doing (as opposed to being told what to do), how much confidence you have in your ability to dive unsupervised after OW, and whether or not "digging deeper" into core skills is important to you.

I know people who've loved and hated both approaches ... some who feel "cheated" with the former and some who feel that latter is overkill. It's really a personal decision.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
I guess I signed up for the wait & get some experience route. I have almost 1000 dives and have yet to take the AOW course. I worked out my buoyancy and trim issues on my own. I already knew how to use a compass and navigate. I eased my way into deeper and deeper dives. I bought a couple dive lights. I also bought the AOW book and read it. That pretty much convinced me I did not need the course.

Perhaps the course might have accelerated the learning process. I was in no hurry.
 
I'm OW certified and have done a couple dives through shops with their equipment. I'm about to go to Turks and Caicos and am considering buying my own gear (my dad and I have an interest in diving a lake up in Michigan where we vacation every summer and there are no dive shops for rental).

I've looked around online and have found some pretty decent deals on oceanic and cressi, but I also went into the shop which certified me and they have what seems like a great deal on an aqualung package- the ones I found online are slightly cheaper, but I think I would prefer to deal directly with someone I trust and also know that they will service my gear. Does anyone advise against this package for a newer diver?

$899 for Aqualung:
Titan Regulator
ABS alternate
Pro LT BCD
Zoop dive computer
 
Hindsight is always 20/20, but like I said, we have the internet now which can be a two edged sword but lets concentrate on the good side.

If I was to do it over back then:
I should have done my homework and joined a local dive club that had an independant NAUI instructor that was really good. I could have gotten advice on gear and the members all had stuff that newbies could use for free until they could get their own stuff, either great used gear or economical new gear that was good enough. I was already a freediver and plenty of them freedove all the time for abalone so I could have joined without being scuba certified. This would have put me under the wing and I would have made lot's of new friends and dive buddies out of the loop of the LDS.

If I bought from the LDS in question I could have gone in with knowledge and known what I wanted and if I got pressure I would have left and gone down the road to the next shop.
I could have easily used a MK2/109. I have one now and it breathes just as well as my MK20. It's a simple unbalanced piston that is bulletproiof and works great. This reg would have been fine for any of the profiles I was doing. I should have gotten a basic octo and a holder. At that time nobody bungeed under the chin in the recreational world. But in the next few years the knowdedge came out and that would have been a simple retrofit. I wouldn't have blown the money on the Air 2 that I always had trouble with. Or at other shops I'm sure there were other brands of simple regs like a Conshelf or a simple Oceanic or such that would have been fine.

I would have bought the simplest BC available. I actually liked the rental BC they had us use, it was very simple and not weight integrated.

In fact, Leisure Pro used to have ads in the back of magazines and everything was phone order. I could have gone straight to them (if I knew what to get)

If I lost all my gear now and had to replace it with brand new what would I get?

I would get online and go straight to scubatoys and order a MachV 30#wing, Hog harness kit, and 2 cam bands. The plate I make myself.
I would go to leisure pro and order a pair of jets.
I would call up Don at M&B and get a custom suit ordered.
The compass, and bottom timer and simple SPG I would get at either ST or LP, doesn't matter.
I would get a Hog reg set online too and a set of rebuild parts.
Booties and gloves I would get at a small shop in a neighboring town that sell guns, ammo, fishing tackle and dive gear (my kind of place). They also have the best price on air fills around.
Weights, I would cast my own from a mould I bought at a garage sale, and the belt kit online.

Custom wetsuit $600
Mask $60
Jet fins $100
Reg set $300
Booties and gloves $70
Weightbelt $20
Bottom timer $200 ?
Compass $75?
SPG $60
Tank (3442 E7 series 120) $385 with free air card.
Wing $272
Harness kit $45
Cam bands (pair) $50
Plate - free
Weights - free
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$2237.00

For all brand new stuff head to tow. Excellent gear choices for modern diving.
Lights, spear guns, game bags would be on top of this.

For used gear, way less.

Going total minimalist or the vintage route:

Wetsuit, fins, boots and gloves, and weights remain the same.
Reg: Exporer kit double hose from Bryan $250 or find a great used Mk5/109 or conshelf - price: $100 - $200 ?
Or -New reg: a super simple unbalanced model with a single 2nd.
Simple SPG for minimalist or no SPG and J valve on 2250 72 for vintage.
Either plastic backpack for $40, no pack at all, or my own plate, no BC.
It was good enough then, it's good enough now.

I think I could do this for under $1200 maybe even $1000 complete head to tow.
 
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I did a lot of equipment-related research before buying anything. However, I failed to see (or perhaps, understand) the issue concerning regulator servicing and what it would mean over the long term. I now wish quite strongly that I had known or understood the issues because I would have opted for buying regulators that I could service myself. I like doing that sort of thing, but I wasn't even aware that the option existed or, if it did, is as safe as it appears to be.
 
I'm OW certified and have done a couple dives through shops with their equipment. I'm about to go to Turks and Caicos and am considering buying my own gear (my dad and I have an interest in diving a lake up in Michigan where we vacation every summer and there are no dive shops for rental).

I've looked around online and have found some pretty decent deals on oceanic and cressi, but I also went into the shop which certified me and they have what seems like a great deal on an aqualung package- the ones I found online are slightly cheaper, but I think I would prefer to deal directly with someone I trust and also know that they will service my gear. Does anyone advise against this package for a newer diver?

$899 for Aqualung:
Titan Regulator
ABS alternate
Pro LT BCD
Zoop dive computer

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