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Obviously you haven’t looked at the rebreather market. Space age electronics, sometimes at its best. Sometimes at its worst.

Well, I don't have $10,000 to burn on just the equipment, nor the money for the training. But that raises a question I was wondering. Do you think rebreathers are the future of the sport? Or will they always be something that requires 3 or 4 hours of maintenance per hour in the water and have a price tag higher than my first car?
 
I ride the same bicycle I bought new in 1983. Looks a lot like bikes available today. I don’t race and it gotten me around for the last 30+ years. Why change? Modern bike may look similar, but they aren’t clones.

The beauty of a regulator from 1983 is that they were simple and incredibly reliable. Why change them? The only three criteria regular diver (I.e. people who dive regularly) care about are: ease of breathing, dependability and bottom time. Existing designs for open circuit cover the first two. If you compare 1983 rebreather technology with today’s, it is light years apart. BCD are vastly different, too. My first experience with a BCD was an orally inflator and a CO2 cartridge for emergencies.

Computers for diving? I started with a plastic card. Why do they have a processor like calculator? Reliability, the math is not complicated, but the real evolution has been in the understanding of physiology the computers model. When I started diving, ascent rates were measured by following the smallest bubbles, and there were no safety stops.

I don’t know much about bicycles, they seem pretty much the same, but that reflects my ignorance more than anything else.
 
I could say that software hasn't changed much since the 50s as we still process in binary. Shouldn't we have moved to quantum computing by now already with multiple superposition states?

Well, no, software has changed considerably both because the underlying technology has improved and because the discipline of software development has become more sophisticated. The problems people are willing to pay to solve have also changed. I've been in the industry since 1983 and it was an absolute whirlwind until 1998 and has slowed down since then. But there's still more innovation than in SCUBA. The technology keeps improving, and that opens up new application areas where there previously just wasn't enough computing or storage capacity available at reasonable cost to make them workable. We had video editing in the lab back in the 1980s but the render times were awful even with the low resolutions of the day, and now I can edit 1080p at home, which means there's software to be written for video editing and sharing and so on.

During the same span of time recreational scuba has only changed around the margins because the technologies that make it go were good enough in 1980. SCUBA relies on two critical technologies. One of them is elastomers, because without effective exposure suits, hoses, masks, and other rubber goods, diving is primitive and unsafe. The other one is compressed gas technology, particularly the ability to produce high pressure cylinders that are safe and then fill them with breathable gas. The regulators are child's play to manufacture compared to what goes into making a compressor, a filter tower, and a cylinder.

scuba gear has a different set of challenges than terrestrial equipment, namely it has to take into account being watertight, pressure resistant, corrosion resistant, and account for buoyancy rather than just dry weight. Combined with the small market and you have limited options for improvement along with lengthy payback periods for product lines.
a jetfin is still popular because of its weight, rigidity, and ruggedness. you may be able to make a carbon fiber fin that is really lightweight, but it will be too light for use with a drysuit and may be fragile so that it breaks in two years. so why should a diver pay for something that is unsuitable for their use and would not last as long.

You're guessing at what the industry is like but that's understandable since you're new. There are carbon fiber fins, see PURE Carbon Fiber Freedive Fins | MAKO Spearguns, and they make sense for freediving but generally not for scuba. They last a long time as long as you don't do giant strides with them.

I don't think jetfins are as popular as you seem to think they are.

The innovation in SCUBA equipment in recent years has mainly been in rebreathers. Those don't appeal to me much right now because they are not useful for the kinds of dives I make. Maybe someday.
 
I have machine control computers running that I installed in the '80s. The function of the machine hasn't changed so there is no advantage to changing the control system. And the old one is proven. My wife and I bought puck computers in the early '90s. Now we dive the same brand and form factor and the same algorithm but with nitrox added. Haven't been bent in all those years. They are extremely reliable. Really cheap too. Why would we change?
 
the software and hardware may be more complex, but they are still doing the same memory operations, just faster and more of them. languages may have moved to higher levels (eg ruby or python vs C/fortran) but the compiler is still translating down to assembly to run on x86 or ARM.

the carbon fiber analogy was to respond directly to OP's comment about modern skis. i am perfectly aware that carbon fiber fins are popular with freedivers.
 
Do you think rebreathers are the future of the sport? Or will they always be something that requires 3 or 4 hours of maintenance per hour in the water ... ?

They don't you know. Every three hours on mine (which is typical) it needs a sorb refill. That takes about 10 minutes if taking it easy. Usually I do this at the end of the day and leave the head off to dry out. In the morning it goes back together and I do positive and negative tests to be sure I have screwed it together. That all takes maybe 15 minutes. At the end of a week of or weekend of diving I will give the lungs a good flush and the outside a wash. Every so often I take it all to bits and disinfect the lungs and dry everything out, usually that is if I am not diving it for a bit.

On a three of four dive day on a liveaboard I save messing with fresh cylinders two or three times and get more time sunning myself etc. Later I have an hour of faffing. A fair swap for never worrying about gas.
 
I think the OP is totally barking up the wrong tree here.

Does the OP wear shoes? Pfffft, the basic design of shoes has been around for centuries.
Does the OP wear shirts? The basic design of shirts has been around for centuries as well.
Seems like OP is pretty resistant to change to me.

OK, that is humour, but the point is that human physiology hasn't significantly changed in the time scales we are talking about, and the properties of water haven't changed at all - and those are the biggest limiting factors here. It's not like updating a programme and adding whole new functionalities; as long as humans still need to respire to flush CO2 out of their lungs and consume O2, and as long as water remains 800 times denser than air, then diving gear has some basic, unchanging things it needs to do and adding a cappuccino maker or whatever just doesn't help you dive. Change has to have a point to it, not just change for the sake of it.

Some examples off the top of my head of where dive gear has evolved noticeably over the 20 years I've been diving;

Wetsuits are much more comfortable and flexible, neoprene has evolved noticeably. They still do (and need to do) the function of keeping you warm in water.

Computers - illuminated colour OLED displays are a big change from LCD. No, the algorithms haven't changed because the ones we have kinda mostly work usually, there is NO point just pulling something new out of anyone's backside for the sake of it (yeah, physiology hasn't changed) and no-one is at the point of investing millions/billions to actually test any brand new ideas. (Outside of the navies. Maybe something from there will filter through to recreational diving over time, but it would need to be noticeably better to have any point to it.) The way we use the existing algorithms has definitely changed over time though.

Scooters - scooters are a whole world smaller, faster, lighter, longer running, more pleasant to use and more reliable than they were 20 years ago. They still do (and need to do) the job of pulling you through the water.

A counterexample is fins; every year some new fin comes on to the market that promises more for less, and they are pretty much all snake oil. New fins aren't going to suddenly going to make you race Marlin in the same way that buying new running shoes isn't going to suddenly turn you in to an olympic runner.
 
And on IT technology terms - UNIX and SQL have both been around for decades. Why are they still in use? Seems like a reluctance to change :wink:

And what about COBOL??? There is probably far more code in COBOL than in all other languages put together.
 
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