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I'm a supernewbie compared to you guys. I agree with the posts here on the weight belts (#3). I trained in a weight integrated BC and since then the only time I've used one was when I rented from the same shop that trained me. We were shown a weight belt during training and told we would never use one. All of my Caribbean dives where I've rented a BC, it has not been weight integrated. I think a lot of shops don't like to do WI because it's more expensive - those pockets are easily lost and cost a fortune! But I've never felt that the weight belt was uncomfortable or difficult to use. I am physically fit with a waist smaller than my hips and I don't compress too much at depth so I don't have to squeeze it like a girdle at the surface, so that probably helps a lot. But I actually prefer the idea of a belt. As long as you put it on correctly, not under your BC (watch that crotch strap!) and know how to pull something with your right hand, it's really easy to loosen and drop. 7 steps? Maybe if you had your weight distributed throughout your harness straps!

I also agree with Diver0001 on everything else. He beat me to the post.

I think his anti quarter turn idea is flawed. If his reasoning is that somebody could easily close a cylinder and then open it only a quarter turn, couldn't they just as easily close it and forget it? Especially an inexperienced vacation diver may not notice when they gear up, close their formerly open cylinder, take a quick test breath off the reg, don't check their gauge, and roll into the deep blue. Just always make sure your cylinder is open before you gear up. I won't stop turning back a bit because old plumbing habits never die.

I hate snorkels, I never dive with one unless I'm doing a training (I'm the trainee, not the trainer). But I don't think they should be banished to the dustbin of scuba history. They do have their use. Back inflate BCs tend to push you forward at the surface if you aren't experienced enough to get that worked out.

I mostly agree with #1 - perfect buoyancy should not wait until after you've destroyed a thousand years of coral in your first 5 dives in the Caribbean, but you have to consider task loading for new students. A lot of students will take to scuba so naturally it will make instructors jealous, but some need a little slower pace. If you start of with one important skill - don't hold your breath - and then add one more at a time, allowing the new student to be overweighted and kneeling on the bottom of the pool, they can focus better on each thing individually. Developing buoyancy control should come faster than it does in most classes, though.

I really hoped #6 - No Student Left Behind - would mean the opposite: "Don't be afraid to fail a student." There were two students in my OW checkout class that were there for the second time and neither could calm down enough to focus and do things correctly and safely. But the instructors kept working with them and offered to do it again and again until they passed. They finally did a skill correctly one time, the exasperated instructors shrugged, gave them a check, and they became OW divers. I would hate to buddy with somebody like that. I would love for everybody who wants to dive to do it, but at some point you have to tell a student no.
 
Yes. It is an essential, basic underwater skill. Being able to free yourself from line, netting or kelp is pretty important. Fixing your tank that may have slipped from the tank strap is important.

I think it is more like a remnant (in early ow training). Underwater doffing and donning seems to be quite rare (and fairly advanced) problem solving tool in technical training. I do totally agree that if doffing and donning rig at depth is a primary problem solving skill, then the ballast needs to be in separate system like a weight belt.
 
For all we complain about scuba training it is one of the few sports that actually require certification. I participate in canyoneering, rock climbing, mountaineering and backcountry hiking/camping. All of these, as well as downhill mountain biking, can and do kill people. Training is available but is not required. At least scuba requires some training.
 
I think his anti quarter turn idea is flawed. If his reasoning is that somebody could easily close a cylinder and then open it only a quarter turn, couldn't they just as easily close it and forget it? Especially an inexperienced vacation diver may not notice when they gear up, close their formerly open cylinder, take a quick test breath off the reg, don't check their gauge, and roll into the deep blue. Just always make sure your cylinder is open before you gear up. I won't stop turning back a bit because old plumbing habits never die.

I have tried teaching both. This has to do with my desire to teach the perfect OW course so I'm happy to try anything that I think will improve results.

The idea behind *either* all the way open *or* all the way closed is that it will show up on a self and/or buddy check. I agree with that assessment.... IF YOU DO THOSE CHECKS. |

A valve that is all the way closed and 1/4 turn open may not actually cause the needle of the SPG to move enough to signal a problem on the surface. I've personally experienced this. In .. I'm going to say 1988 in Mexico I jumped off a boat and opened the valve all the way after submerging.... I was fortunately aware of what was happening and had the "ah ha!" moment and was able to push the tank up and open the valve without it becoming a big problem (or any kind of problem at all).

At the surface I did a very superficial self check and no buddy check at all. The question is whether or not a superficial self check would have exposed the fact that the valve was all the way closed and 1/4 turn open as opposed to all the way open and 1/4 turn closed.

I don't think so. I think having the valve all the way closed would have made the problem worse in my case because I would have suddenly found myself unable to breathe, as opposed to finding it "harder" to breathe......

I really hoped #6 - No Student Left Behind - would mean the opposite: "Don't be afraid to fail a student." There were two students in my OW checkout class that were there for the second time and neither could calm down enough to focus and do things correctly and safely. But the instructors kept working with them and offered to do it again and again until they passed. They finally did a skill correctly one time, the exasperated instructors shrugged, gave them a check, and they became OW divers. I would hate to buddy with somebody like that. I would love for everybody who wants to dive to do it, but at some point you have to tell a student no.

As an instructor I'm not willing to drag people through a course. In the distant past I really had the idea that as long as the student was willing to keep trying that I would continue to do my part. These days I'm a LOT quicker to suggest that diving is not for them. Ultimately I need to sign their C-card and I am not willing to put any student at risk.

R..
 
After reading it, some comments and thoughts:

# 7: TYPICALLY up to ten students per instructor. never saw this around where I dive or heard of it (Ok, I think TDI allows up to 10 with 3 DM to assist the instructor) So, based on my experience this is simply untrue.

#6: Compass navigation as an example of having to "leave behind" your students..... I have not seen compass navigation in OWD courses, but nevertheless, why is there a need to leave your students without direct supervision, when doing this? So in my eyes this statement is also untrue.

#5: Maybe I misunderstand something, but if "bearing in mind that students are more likely to to remember what they see.." based on his proposal the students now see someone that holds the safety stop in case of an emergency ascent (which is a wrong picture) But maybe I think of an emergency ascent different then off a controlled OOA ascent while buddy breathing (which I do not consider an emergency).

#4: After some "helpful" spirit turned my valve off and 1/4 open, after I had done my gear-check but had to see the restroom before splashing (and during the breathing tests the 1/4 open was enough to give sufficient air on the surface and no indication on the gauge... but NOT at 40m=) i TOTALLY agree with this point.

#3: Yeah, he is talking about possible issues with the weightbelt... but obviously has never seen peoples faces when the suddenly loose their "integrated" weight pockets and now have to quickly handle the loss of some pounds of lead..... so I think this is rather a question of personal choice (and of the available equipment during training)
 
I think his anti quarter turn idea is flawed. If his reasoning is that somebody could easily close a cylinder and then open it only a quarter turn, couldn't they just as easily close it and forget it?
Not nearly as easily.

If your valve is closed all the way, you can't go more than one breath without noticing. You'll feel it right away and be forced to fix it right away, still on the surface, before descending. Just so long as you're not badly overweighted with a deflated BC.

If it's only open a quarter turn, things feel normal till you're on your reserve air - and then you can't breathe, with up to a hundred feet above your head and plenty of pressure on your gauge.
 
I tend to disagree on a few of the points. I'll stay away from the class sizes in that I think that it depends more on the dive conditions. i.e. teaching in 60'x60'x80 degree water may be better than the quarry but, when the crap hits the fan like severe currents and surface chop the clam water of the quarry might even be better. IMHO, the article seems to lean toward the bashing of quarry instructors. Just my thought.
Snorkels do have a purpose in diving but not too much on the technical side. 1) You want to get into the water and head out to where the wall starts (Horseshoe Okinawa). Four choices: 1) Get on your snorkel and stay on the surface until you get to the drop. 2) stay on the surface breathing from your reg wasting gas. 3) Stay on the surface and alternate breath hold, swim, head up and breathe, breath hold and swim, etc. 4) get on your back and swim to the drop. It is also the same when doing a surface search for a lost diver.
Weight belt? I have not put on one since open water back in 1999. Today I sometimes put weights in pockets on my rebreather, Al 80 ocean rec. dive or SM kits. I think that the new move to the bring back the weight belt can be found in the SM community.
Never ever use the 1/4 back rule for tanks. It was only made to prevent new divers from over torquing the valves.
 
When you have most of your ballast on your rig, like most modern divers do, it becomes much riskier and easily causes more problems than solves. I have always been wondering why it is included in the basic training?
If you understand the physics involved, it doesn't have to be risky. My students do this skill in a neutral and trim position with no problems.
The key is I take the weight pockets out and put them into my wetsuit
Just keep the heavier BCD assembly over you. We want to move gear, but in an entanglement, that's not how it's going to happen. Move the diver, not the gear. My students rotate out of their gear so that their face is upwards. I have them unclip and then clip their cam band before they twist back into place. Here's a former student of mine:

 
If you understand the physics involved, it doesn't have to be risky. My students do this skill in a neutral and trim position with no problems.

I understand there is always another level of training...

I'm not sure i want everyone else to teach like I do!

:)

How do you distribute weight between rig and weightbelt (if using any) for your students?
 
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