Uninspected 6-packs: what's the risk?

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Not sure if this is the right forum; mods feel free to move. The question occurred to me while reading this thread about a diver who drowned when the boat sank; it later came out that the boat had failed inspection by the Coast Guard but continued running with only 6 passengers to avoid inspection: Scuba Shack's Boat Get Wet Sinks in Key Largo

Of course, inspected vessels may not be much safer, as I saw much more recently and closer to home: Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

But still, something doesn't sit right with me about the idea that commercial boats don't need to be inspected if they only carry 6 passengers. There's at least one local boat around here operating as a 6-pack that clearly has room for more. I've been on it; it seemed fine. But then, Truth Aquatics had a lot of very vocal defenders right after the Conception fire, too. Really, I have no idea how to evaluate whether a boat is safe. The ones around here all look old and beat-up to me, but I trust that they're in good shape where it counts.

So what do people think? Is there a greater risk in going with a boat running as a 6-pack? How should we evaluate that risk?
 
Most of the 6-packs I've been on have stayed close enough to the shore that I could swim back. I actually had to do this once in Jamaica when the DM and I surfaced and the boat was nowhere to be seen. It was only around 300 yards to the resort's beach and we had enough air to do it underwater. It was actually kind of fun.

I'd be a little more wary if the boat was going well offshore and/or the water was cold. Maybe stay suited up and carry a PLB? And it might be best to stay on deck while the boat is underway. At least stay awake.

And definitely pay attention to the part of the safety briefing where they explain where the PFDs are.
 
I'm currently taking the 100 Ton Masters Course and asked in class an hour ago if an inspected vessel can be driven by a 6 pack Captain if he only has 6 pax

The answer I got was once a vessel is an inspected vessel it remains so... and must be manned accordingly
 
Good question. The real answer is maybe.

Theoretically you would think inspected boats should be "safer" because the USCG has inspected them and found them to be mechanically seaworthy and the crews have in many cases been required to show their proficiency in simulated emergency situations. But there are always people looking for the easy way out and a multitude of ways to put lipstick on a pig to pass an inspection.

Are 6-packs less safe than inspected boats? Not necessarily. Most reputable 6 pack boats make a large investment to upgrade and cary extra safety equipment. The captains running them are extremely professional, knowledgeable, and take great pride in their vessels and their operation. The reputation of a boat is usually pretty well known and easy to verify. That being said, there are plenty of 6-pack boats that only due the minimum. No O2, no EPIRB, minimal cheap life jackets, all the cheapest approved stuff they can find to be legal, and they will have a reputation too. Just not a good one. But inspected boats do have the same issues on occasion.

The 6-pack guys are licensed as required and honestly the USCG testing is not that different between 6-pack and 100 ton, which is what a lot of the larger boats are licensed as. The sea time requirements are a little different as one can have time on a bass boat on a lake and qualify for a 6-pack. Sea time for 100 ton licenses generally requires, and is usually obtained, via a more commercial route and is a more verifiable sea time. There are always people who are going to fudge the sea time requirement but that happens for both licenses.

Inspected boats cost more to run, require more gear, and of course go through inspections. Fire, abandon Ship, and Man Overboard drills are supposed to be done and logged. Sometimes the USCG runs these drills during the inspection process. Drills can and do get pencil whipped though. If an inspected boat is just going through the motions, is it really safer? Just because they passed an inspection doesn't necessarily mean that the boat is safer. Maybe the inspector missed something. Inspections are really spot checks, the entire boat is not truly inspected.

If I'm at the dock and looking at a boat to possibly charter I immediately look at the condition of the safety gear and the tidiness of the boat. Divers can beat the hell out of a boat so that cosmetically it looks bad but the safety gear should be in good operating condition and the boat should be clean even if it is beat up. Is the safety gear stowed in an accessible spot? Does the boat look kept? Does everything have a place? Those few things say a lot about how a captain takes care of his boat. I also look at the mooring lines. It may just be my pet peeve but there's an old saying about "know a sailor by his lines." Ratty lines in my mind lead to a ratty engine room. If you're willing to let that huge investment be secured to the dock with frayed unkept lines, how do you treat your engine room?

If I get on a charter, I listen to the brief. A well run boat with a safe crew will give a good brief. The safety brief should be done before the boat leaves the dock. At a minimum you should hear where the life jackets are located, where the fire extinguishers and first aid kits are, and what to do if you see someone fall over the side (not on purpose). You should also be told to let the captain or deckhand know immediately if there are any injuries or if you observe something that could compromise the safety of the passengers or vessel. The safety brief may lead into the dive brief but should always be the first thing. Unprofessional crews do not give good safety briefs.

When you start looking for a trip, go research and read reviews on line. Yes, reviews can be manipulated but usually, overall, you can get the general idea of what to expect. Web sites with wrong information, the wrong definitions or acronyms, and crazy long liability releases that release the operator from gross incompetence and other such craziness give me red flags. It's a business, if you spend time and effort on your site it will lead to the impression that you spend time and effort with your boat and trips. Again, thats just things I look for. Sometimes people aren't computer savvy or they have all the business they need and the website is just an after thought so a bad website doesn't necessarily have to mean an unsafe boat.

After all this I don't think there is really a greater risk for day trips on 6-pack vs inspected boats. Actually, I prefer 6-pack boats. I don't feel safer because an boat is inspected or not inspected but rather how the vessel is kept and run. I'm comfortable on boats, don't need a lot of help, and I like the more personal feel of the smaller vessel. There are also less other people to deal with which is always nice.

Good luck on your trips. Listen to the briefs. Ask questions if you don't understand. Relax and enjoy your charter.

Safe Diving.
 
The majority of dive charters on the Great Lakes seem to be 6 packs. The ones I’ve been on have had good captains and lots of safety equipment.
 
In the U.K. a boat (vessel) carrying up to 12 paying divers must have safety equipment for 12 passengers plus the crew. This applies even when the boat is a RIB and can only carry 6, the requirement for a life raft is waived if the RIB design has passed both damage and swamp tests.

To carry 13 passengers the vessel must carry safety gear, including life rafts for 50 passengers and the crew.
 
There isn't a right answer. I have been on great six packs, (I like to think I own one) and really ****** six packs. Same can be said with inspected vessels.
I choose to go the six pack route due to costs. They are cheaper to run, I have a 3-4 month dive season and not a ton of tourist divers. It is easier to recoup costs with a six pack.
In Michigan, which is very different from other states, my "uninspected" vessel has to go through the same inspection every year as an "inspected vessel". The difference is the inspection is done by MDNR instead of USCG.
I don't have to do stability testing when I change something, that is nice for me. One local charter spent a year trying to add a canopy over the back deck. Just a canopy, but the red tape involved took over a year.
 
The case of the Scuba Shack incident is highly unusual. The boat had serious safety issues, issues which led to a death that would have happened no matter how close they were to shore. In fact, the boat sank very close to other boats who were not able to get there in time to save the diver who died. The diver died because of the speed and manner of the sinking (she was trapped and went down with the ship). The safety issues that caused them to fail the inspection were so serious that it is simply astounding that the boat continued to go out without proper repairs. That is why people in the thread are so glad the owners have finally been caught. They deserve severe punishment.

If you read all the threads about the Conception tragedy, you know I feel the same way about both the owner and the captain. Both knew they were getting away with problems that were not identified by the Coast Guard. Both knew they were in violation. Both continued to run the boat that way.

So it all depends upon the ownership. If you have an owner who cares, it does not matter whether the boat is inspected or not. The same is true if you have an owner who does not care. The problem is that it is hard to tell which is which from just looking at the boat.
 
Yeah, the Conception fire really shook my faith in reputation as a means of assessing safety. Everyone thought they were great. But also, they passed inspection, so where does that leave us?
 
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