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Adapting Nikonos 105SB Strobe for

Discussion in 'Tips and Techniques' started by teckhead, Dec 17, 2005.

  1. teckhead

    teckhead Angel Fish

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    Hi can anybody help me with this!
    i have a Sony DSC-P10 Digital camera and wanted to know if i can adapt my Nikonos 105 SB Strobe , i have a Sony 40mtr Marine Pack housing , i have heard of a site in Germany that do convertion by adding an external adpter to the outside housing,
    does anyone know of this site, i have been trying to locate with no succes?

    regards Tony
    ps any infor would be appreciated.
     
  2. kapula

    kapula Manta Ray

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  3. kapula

    kapula Manta Ray

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    Actually since your housing doesn't have adapter for ttl flash you can just add an optical cable from your strobe to your marine pack. All you need to do is cover your internal flash with something and attach the optical cable in front of it. You can propably shoot without the optical cable and use the strobe in slave mode. Your strobe will then mimic cameras internal flash and fire when it fires. Bad thing is that your strobe will fire if someone fires a strobe near it :)
     
  4. SwimJim

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  5. teckhead

    teckhead Angel Fish

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    What do you mean , by optical cable from your strobe to your marine pack ?
    Kapula
     
  6. bobf

    bobf Barracuda

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    In reading a couple of camera reviews for the Sony DSC-P10, I wasn't able to find any mention of the availability of a "slave" function in the flash menu. A slave function feature would send an optical signal, a single blip of light, from the onboard flash (master) to command an external (slave) flash to fire in sync with the shutter event. The key here is only one single blip of light, not a preflash or even a series of preflashes as would be common with many preflash point and shoot digital cameras.

    If the Sony camera requires a preflash event (quite common) to aid in exposure calibrations, then the external strobe matched to it would be required to address those extra blips of light.

    With optically triggered strobes, each blip of light detected by its sensor, from any source, may be perceived as an order to fire. Some newer strobes are capable of keeping up with these almost instantaneous firing commands. Other strobes are designed simply to ignore the pre flashes and wait (programmed by user) for the correct time to fire in sync with the shutter event.

    Unfortunately I believe an SB 105 is not capable of firing in rapid succession in order to keep up with preflashes. Nor is there any circuitry available on the strobe itself to ignore the preflashes. If the DSC-P10 were to fire a preflash resulting in the firing of the SB 105, the strobe would not be able to recycle quickly enough to be prepared for the subsequent signal to fire in sync with the actual shutter event.

    Therefore an additional piece of equipment may be necessary for the SB 105 to work in some capacity with your camera. This added instrument would need to be capable of ignoring a single preflash or several (programmed by user depending on specific camera preflash characteristics). That's where the HeinrichsWeikamp Digital Adapter may be a solution.

    The HeinrichsWeikamp Digital Adapter translates the optical signal received from the onboard master strobe (the flash found on the camera) into an electronic signal. The electronic signal to fire then travels through the sync cord connected to the external strobe (SB 105). As previously mentioned, the DA may also be calibrated to ignore one or more preflashes. Check the heinrichsweikamp web site for a complete list of Digital Adapter user defined options.

    You should email Matthias Heinrichs or a reseller of his product to verify prior to ordering, especially since Matthias does not presently officially list the Sony DSC-P10 as tested*. The SB 105 is listed by Matthias as compatible but with limitations. This might refer to the ability for the connected strobe (SB 105) to offer manual mode (user defined strobe power level output) but not TTL (strobe output controlled by the camera's brain). Once again, Matthias has the answer!

    *Although the DSC-P10 is listed by heinrichsweikamp in a category classified as "no information about compatibility", there does exist a photo of a DA set up in conjunction with the P10 housing in the gallery section of Matthias' web site:

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    detail:

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    One last point. I feel compelled to point out that your camera has no manual control of aperture or shutter speed. Normally I do not recommend building underwater rigs around auto cameras due to the fact that they are calibrated at the factory to capture images on land, through air, with two feet firmly planted on the ground. Of course when diving we are attempting to float motionless while capturing reflected light which has been filtered though water. The ability to manually control the size of the aperture and the speed in which the shutter opens and closes is very desirable underwater in order to have user control over the background exposure and motion blur. Knowing beforehand the specific aperture setting would also be helpful in choosing the appropriate strobe power level setting in order to help control the foreground exposure.

    no affiliation with any of the products mentioned,
    nor have I personally tested them,
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  7. gert7to3

    gert7to3 Solo Diver

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    BOBF's post is the best reply for your Nikonos 105 SB strobe.

    I wonder how expensive the adapter is compared to smaller auto strobe? Of course you already have 105 SB stobe.

    "Optical cable" actually should refer to a fiber optic cable. This is a light pipe which will transmit light through filaments within the cable. U/W strobes such as the Sea & Sea YS-25 Auto and YS-90 Auto have slave sensor ports. These strobes accept a fiber optic cable which will direct the camera's strobe output to the slave sensor. The opposite end of the fiber optic cable connects to a socket, in a mask, positioned in front of the camera's flash. This prevents the slave from being triggered by other nearby flash units. These types of auto strobes usually have provision to cope with preflash pulses.

    I use the Sony P-10 with a YS-25 DX, a slightly older model than the YS-25 auto. Without a strobe I usually set my ISO at 200. With the strobe I set it at ISO 100. Setting the white balance for fluorescent lights helps with U/W photos where the strobe isn't being used. There is no manual white balance. Nor are there manual settings for shutter and aperture. I set flash level to low. This saves battery power since the internal flash is only used for triggering the slaved strobe.

    If I did more diving, I would probably get a more advanced camera.

    Here's a link to a comprehensive review of the Sony P-10:

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/P10/P10A.HTM
     
  8. swisstrav

    swisstrav Barangay Pasaway

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    thats what you are looking for: www.mike-dive.de

    is very well known. the adapter is mounted to the housing by means of a velcro-pad.
     

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