Are you in favor of legal action against SPAMers?

What would you like to see done to help stop spam?

  • Very large fines to spammers.

    Votes: 14 30.4%
  • Very large fines to the IP who allows spammers on their network.

    Votes: 6 13.0%
  • Fines are not enough, JAIL the bums, that includes the IP that allows it!

    Votes: 14 30.4%
  • If the spammers are out of country, I would favor threats of cutting them out of the net if they do

    Votes: 6 13.0%
  • I would like to see the software industry develope EMail software that is spam proof.

    Votes: 6 13.0%
  • I like spam, heck I even eat spam, I'm all for more spam.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    46

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pt40fathoms

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OK, we all get SPAM, we all hate SPAM. (at least most of us do).
Because this is not SCUBA related, this poll is in here. However, I am curious at just how pissed off the rest of you are about all the SPAM.

This poll is aimed at just that question. Your comments on what you would like to see done is also welcome.
 
No, I am not in favour of legal action against spammers.

I am in favour of ILLEGAL action against spammers, including but not limited to electrodes being attached to genitalia, public humiliation, stockades, and/or being used as the tackling dummy in the practice sessions for the Philadelphia Eagles.

I also think that telemarketers should be phoned in their home every 30 seconds throughout the evening and into the morning, at least once every two weeks.
 
I hate SPAM as much as anyone else but one important factor to consider is how do you define SPAM for legal action? Take for example this board; we send out all sorts of automatic emails to users to have opted in (or I suppose I should say users who have not opted out). Despite the fact that you have the ability to turn off email from the board people have still been known to complain about us "spamming" them. We even have users complain that we spammed them when they get their welcome email and activation codes which they signed up for! Clearly none of this is SPAM as the user opted to receive it but I can easily see a law or much more likely, an ISP policy harming us for doing things that most people would not construe as being wrong
 
pt40fathoms:
OK, we all get SPAM, we all hate SPAM. (at least most of us do).
Because this is not SCUBA related, this poll is in here. However, I am curious at just how pissed off the rest of you are about all the SPAM.

This poll is aimed at just that question. Your comments on what you would like to see done is also welcome.

More legal action and more fines will not help.

Microsoft wants to charge for email...what a laugh...That will only penalize private citizens who aren't doing anything wrong.

I get 200 emails a day, 150 of which are spam...But I only see the fifty I want...Find a technological solution you like and move on.
 
Sorry, can't vote in the poll. Death penalty wasn't an option.
 
More than half of my spam comes from overseas. I don't think there's any easy solution to spam, even fines and jail time won't do anything about the servers in China.

I own the domain jonnythan.com and I pay for email hosting since I don't get enough uptime out of my web server. I'd pay an extra few bucks a year for a host that really does something about removing spam from my inbox. In fact, I do, and it's dramatically reduced what I see getting to my computer, but it's not perfect.

I am all for fines, though. If you send more than 1000 emails in a month, pay 1/2 cent for each over that limit. How's that?
 
Tech Admin:
I hate SPAM as much as anyone else but one important factor to consider is how do you define SPAM for legal action? Take for example this board; we send out all sorts of automatic emails to users to have opted in (or I suppose I should say users who have not opted out). Despite the fact that you have the ability to turn off email from the board people have still been known to complain about us "spamming" them. We even have users complain that we spammed them when they get their welcome email and activation codes which they signed up for! Clearly none of this is SPAM as the user opted to receive it but I can easily see a law or much more likely, an ISP policy harming us for doing things that most people would not construe as being wrong

The fact that the person knew who the message was comming from, and in fact could send and receive messages from the source of the EMail, add to that the fact that they have very clearly signed up for this service. Clearly puts those EMails as far removed from SPAM as can be. The fact that some people are silly and complain, just proves a level of understanding far below what one would consider normal.

SPAM, is very clearly and simply unsolicited EMail for the sole purpose of marketing a product or service. The product or service may or may not be legal for sale, and in most cases they are not legal for sale. The v1@gr@ and the dozens of other spellings of words is one main key to spotting SPAM. As we all know, or should know, they misspelll words so as to try and fool SPAM filters. Clearly because they have resorted to this tactic, they are aware of the fact that the recipients of the messages do not wish to receive the message. They would be clearly and easily targeted by any law prohibiting SPAM. Pornographic and sexually explicit messages would also be easy to spot, as would the advertisments for the dozens of other so called drugs they try to push.

I am tired of it, and want it to stop. I am not just complaining here, I am complaining very loudly and often to the federal politicians here in Canada. Maybe they will get tired of hearing from me on the phone and do something, I reverse the charges, and they always accept. They have too, because when they don't they know the media will hear of it.
 
pt40fathoms, I apoligize in advance because I am in no way trying to attack you personally, but you raise some points that I feel the need to respond to as someone who deals with spam and email problems on a corporate level every day as part of my job.

pt40fathoms:
The fact that the person knew who the message was comming from, and in fact could send and receive messages from the source of the EMail, add to that the fact that they have very clearly signed up for this service. Clearly puts those EMails as far removed from SPAM as can be. The fact that some people are silly and complain, just proves a level of understanding far below what one would consider normal..

These days, SPAM can be very clever. The sender can mask the email so that not only do you not know where it came from, it can appear to come from a known or trusted source. Especially when the spammer is using a virus of some variety. Add to that the fact that many people who use the internet and email services either aren't paying close attention or aren't really conversant with the technology that that they are using and the situationg can get very complicated. Large numbers of people apply for free email accounts, memberships, etc. online without reading the fine print of the agreements they are clicking 'ok' to. Often those agreements stipulate that the other party is allowed to give or sell your email address and personal information to a third party.


pt40fathoms:
SPAM, is very clearly and simply unsolicited EMail for the sole purpose of marketing a product or service. The product or service may or may not be legal for sale, and in most cases they are not legal for sale. The v1@gr@ and the dozens of other spellings of words is one main key to spotting SPAM. As we all know, or should know, they misspelll words so as to try and fool SPAM filters. Clearly because they have resorted to this tactic, they are aware of the fact that the recipients of the messages do not wish to receive the message. They would be clearly and easily targeted by any law prohibiting SPAM. Pornographic and sexually explicit messages would also be easy to spot, as would the advertisments for the dozens of other so called drugs they try to push..

SPAM is more than just sales and marketing. Viruses, Trojans, etc. all can use spamming as a way to spread themselves by burrowing into your list of friends in your email and sending themselves to those people. Of course at the same time you are right that spammers trying to sell products are constantly changing spelling, etc to get around spam filters. It's an ongoing battle right now that is almost impossilble to keep up on. For these reasons, and others, it is not always easy to filter the garbage automatically. Even laws aren't easy to pass or enforce because of the ease with which spam crosses borders. Passing a law in Canada has a limited effect if the spammer is set up in Taiwan, for example. The cost/benifit ratio also figures in here. After initial setup spamming is almost free, so if you can send millions of emails and get a few dozen responses you are still ahead of the game. That makes the game very attractive to advertisers and makes them very attentive to loopholes that allow them to continue posting.

pt40fathoms:
I am tired of it, and want it to stop. I am not just complaining here, I am complaining very loudly and often to the federal politicians here in Canada. Maybe they will get tired of hearing from me on the phone and do something, I reverse the charges, and they always accept. They have too, because when they don't they know the media will hear of it.

Many people want it to stop, and are complaining. Governments know this, and so does the media.

I could go on for pages about this, but I'm trying to keep it short and just touch on a few of the issues in an attempt to show that the problem is a little more complicated and difficult than many wish it were.
 

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