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Jerry,
To suggest I am being actively untruthful is... annoying. To read and automatically believe the sanitizing Govt. press is to loose fantastic experience away from your pasteurized travel-life and your HBO. Take the red pill.
I've been her a decade+ and have had less trouble with Jamaicans then I ever had with Canadians, Aussies, Brits, Yanks etc... As with anything/anywhere as as you said, love everyone, keep your powder dry. Obvious prey will always be preyed upon, and Negril is full of drunken/stoned tourists with their wallets out. Hell- I'd rob them :)
Having said that, yes, constant petty-crime is a headache, but I found the same in Mexico and in China. Touch/knock wood, that is.
I do not work "in the industry" and have nothing to gain by suggesting it's a good, interesting little culture/island. To be honest, I like that the crumby reputation that Negril and Kingston generate keeps the kooks off my good bits of reef.
A
 
Been there did it hated it and would never go back to Jamaica!! The only time I was glad to get back home to Canada after one of many winter vacations, like was said previously don't leave you resort even for a walk you will be inundated with locals trying to sell you drugs in one form or another, and be skeptical of everything.

Dunns Falls was a absolute joke and of course when you come out at the top of the falls you have to go through a market with people trying to sell you junk even knocking on the windows of your bus at times becoming quite intimidating. The jeep tours were also a joke very expensive but included lunch, the lunch consisting of what looked like jerky rolled up in paper towels which they spread out for every one to grab and eat out of their hands.

My first clue was when I arrived at Montego Bay airport A guy was stood inside by the exit wanted to sell be some Gunga to which I said no thanks he proceeded to follow me outside wanting to roll me a joint so I could try it this when I am dragging around all my luggage trying to figure out where my coach Is to take me to the Hotel WELCOME TO JAMAICA! Nah me never go back and have advised many others thinking of going not to including my niece and husband for their honeymoon.

This is just a few of many let downs that happened in the two weeks I was in Jamaica, as for the diving again few fish reefs damaged and no shore dives, hope this helps the OP to avoid Jamaica.
 
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Jerry,
To suggest I am being actively untruthful is... annoying. To read and automatically believe the sanitizing Govt. press is to loose fantastic experience away from your pasteurized travel-life and your HBO. Take the red pill.
I've been her a decade+ and have had less trouble with Jamaicans then I ever had with Canadians, Aussies, Brits, Yanks etc... As with anything/anywhere as as you said, love everyone, keep your powder dry. Obvious prey will always be preyed upon, and Negril is full of drunken/stoned tourists with their wallets out. Hell- I'd rob them :)
Having said that, yes, constant petty-crime is a headache, but I found the same in Mexico and in China. Touch/knock wood, that is.
I do not work "in the industry" and have nothing to gain by suggesting it's a good, interesting little culture/island. To be honest, I like that the crumby reputation that Negril and Kingston generate keeps the kooks off my good bits of reef.
A

Awesome! :)
I don't think you're going to shut that Jerry guy up though. He's just going to drone on and on... blah blah blah. He's got a hate on for Jamaica and nothing will change that. Fine with me. One less whiney tourist there when I go. :mooner:
Sure, it's not the best place to dive, but I love the country, the culture, the people.
One love :) ya, mon.
 
And to sum up:
To Full Fin,
If you do end up in Ja, make up your own mind and keep us posed. I suppose
I misspoke in suggesting so generally that you rent a car and go on your own. This is not the south of France, and such things may be better reserved for more seasoned adventurers. If you are one of these, then go for it :) There are also some tour-guides that will walk you through this larger cultural experience, at least for your first time.
To David 57,
Jamaica has some of, if not the worst overfishing in the world, so this assessment of the diving is not out of place. Large fish are rare, and people should take this into consideration when planning a trip. The Cruise-Shipification of things such as Dunns River is truly criminal. The chronic higgling of drugs and taxis certainly gets tired. These annoyances are largely confined the primary tourist areas. This is the curse of mass-tourism.
Jerry,
Perhaps you might consider trying a smaller-gauge truth suppository, as you seem to be backed up to the point of chokka-block full.
And Debbie,
I guess we have to keep the faith until we can convince the Ja politicians that SCUBA is an industry worth investing some fish and corals in.
Keep wet all,
A
 
And to sum up:
To Full Fin,
If you do end up in Ja, make up your own mind and keep us posed.

I'm going to hazard a wild "guess" and say that that vacation was over already. Did no-one notice the initial posting date? Over a year ago? :rofl3: :rofl3: :rofl3:
 
Bottom line, there is better diving and, most importantly, safer places to visit than Jamaica. Do your own research. Do not trust people who post positive lying reviews about Jamaica who benefit financially from you visiting there.

Here's an article from one travel website and details the travel agent's experience:
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Jamaican Travel Warning

Due to the issues of safety for all visitors (not just Americans), we will not, under any circumstance, issue any travel documents to any Jamaican location.

Virtually all of the popular resorts are now completely surrounded by some type of security fence topped with either razor wire or barbed wired. While each of the resorts now has a private security force that can provide a certain level
of security while close to the center of the resort, guests are warned not to approach the fencing or the areas around the fencing near the beach areas, particularly at night. The manager of one the largest properties we visited went into great detail about the extreme dangers of leaving the property. After a ten minute dissertation of why you don't leave the hotel property, we began to wonder why anyone would build a resort here.



Although there are cruises that we book for our clients that may have a Jamaican port-of-call, we do NOT recommend leaving the ship. There are travelers to Jamaica who did not follow some of the past State Department warnings and have never been found. Previously "safe" areas such as the Dunn's River Fall's have now fallen victim to the criminal element. Entire groups of people climbing the falls have been robbed.

The capital of Kingston is officially under the control of the drug lords and the government of Jamaica is powerless.

The highland areas are immune to police intervention and even the Jamaican military will no longer venture into these areas.

Golfers are being advised that if they see something "suspicious", to immediately leave the area.

Most of the courses have remote sections which leave the golfers susceptible to attacks and armed robberies.

The rash of attacks on golfers continues unabated due to these reasons: lack of security on such a large property area, and the numerous jungle areas adjacent to the course for criminals to hide in before their attack ..... golfers who travel to foreign countries to enjoy the game are usually more "well off" and older and that makes them the perfect victim.

Please note: there is no safety in numbers, even on the links, where "foursomes" are the norm. Attackers are almost always armed with either knives/machetes or firearms.



At local airstrips, tourists aren't safe even from the security guards who work there. They frequently demand payment before allowing you to board your aircraft. This payment isn't an option .... either you give them a bribe or you don't fly .... period! We were informed by a plain-clothes policeman that we needed to pay him to get out of the airport. After a ten dollar bribe, he walked us straight past customs and to our bus. (for our safety he told us)

The customs line at that point was choked with hundreds of people trying to bring cereal, toilet paper and other essentials that can be nonexistent on the island for the locals. (After a little thought, we decided the bribe was actually a good deal as we could have been there for several hours in the sweltering heat.)



If you are offered drugs (and it's highly probable you will be), just saying "no" may not be an option as the dealers can get very aggressive and demanding. Since there is virtually no police protection, violence towards the tourist becomes
more attractive to the dealer than accepting a polite "no". In the first 26 days of January 2007, there were 27 murders in Montego Bay alone (the most heavily visited tourist area in Jamaica). Stabbings, shooting and beheadings are now
common as the drug gangs are daily expanding their reach into the more profitable tourist areas. According to the

Jamaican newspaper "The Jamaica Observer", the government has asked Scotland Yard to help them establish a specialized anti-kidnapping unit due to gang activity. According to the 2008 "JAMAICA CONSTABULARY FORCE

CRIME REVIEW" two percent of all murders in Jamaica are categorized as "domestic, gang or drug related" ... an astounding 83% of all murders in September of 2008 investigated by police, can not even be categorized ... this demonstrates
how ineffective the law enforcement is. It's interesting to note that the police feels that murder by machete is common enough that it has its own special listing in "Implements used in murder". The only other weapons that they feel deserve this special distinction are guns, knives and ice picks! Overall major crime in Jamaica, (using September 2008 vs. 2007 as just one example)

in the last year has increased an average of 55%. This is of course only the number actually reported to the Jamaican Police and posted on their website. Given fear of retribution to whoever would report crime to the police, it could far higher.
It has been speculated (and we personally believe) that the police deliberately under report tourist crime due to the negative impact to tourism.


Due to the attack and robbery of 14 German tourists on a tour bus near Montego Bay, and the attack and robbery on a tour bus carrying 18 tourists near Port Maria, soldiers are to be deployed to reduce violent crime and the harassment of visitors. The Tourism minister, Francis Tulloch, said the move had been recommended by the Jamaica Hotel and Tourist Association.

He said: "In the past the Jamaica Hotel and Tourist Association has expressed reservations on the use of the military. However they have now made this recommendation and we will be acting upon it immediately."

Once again, there is no safety in numbers. Some tour buses when stopped by criminals are lucky and only robbed .... some are not ..... rapes and beatings are common.

There are shortages of even basic items for the locals and there can be spontaneous riots and protests. For example: A price increase in breakfast cereal literally brought the country to a standstill. Major highways were blocked by burning tires/cars and rioting was widespread. Major hotels evacuated their clientele and were told only to leave the absolute minimum number of staff on premise to provide security. They were also advised to evacuate their family. Since many of the roads to the airport were blocked, we are told small boats and helicopters had to be used for some properties.

(Note that the last major riot in Jamaica was April 6, 2008 - according to the N.Y. Times)

We are always amazed that the news of such ongoing events in Jamaica are ignored or withheld from the general public.

Our two previous evaluation visits there were truly, absolutely frightening. It was so bad on our first trip that we tried (with no success) to leave the country early. This was the only occasion in almost twenty years of being a travel agent,
traveling throughout the world, that I sincerely thought my wife and I were probably going to be killed. The sheer amount of unmitigated hate that many locals have for tourists is astounding. We were spit at and cursed ... on a river ride we were
physically assaulted when I refused to give a twenty dollar tip to one of the "helpers" on shore.

I had already tipped the "captain" ten dollars. The "helper" only held your hand as you stepped off the boat onto the shore and in no way participated in the ride. Twenty dollars for literally two seconds of "hand-holding" seemed a little steep. However, had I known that I was about to have four deep purple bruises on my arm and shoulder,
it would have seemed a good deal. No one ... not the tour guide, the boat captain or his fellow workers stopped him.

Currently, the State Department has rescinded it's warning, but the crime issues clearly have gotten worse. On each of our two recent evaluation visits to Jamaica, we have experienced open hostility from the local populace.

Any excursion taken into a larger town or remote area is not recommended as the tour guides can not provide protection.

Even crowds of fifty or more people is no longer safe as we personally witnessed. Claudia Kirschhoch, an editor for "Frommer's
Travel Guide" discovered how bad the crime was the hard way. Despite the widespread reports of trouble in Jamaica, she went to the "Beaches" resort in Negril ... she disappeared from the property and has never been seen since. She was 29.

This is just another example of how dangerous even the once "safe" areas have become. While one may read positive posts about Jamaica, it only takes one time of you being a victim to ruin a vacation. Use the search engine "Google" and review
the horror stories that are posted in newspapers and blogs. I found this post on another website after a quick search and it pretty much sums up crime in general in Jamaica:

Theft: In Jamaica, if it is not locked-up, or nailed-down, it is liable to be stolen. This does not just apply to tourists and their touristy things, but to farmers, shop-keepers, and environmental NGO's. It is a rare person, whether tourist or resident, who has not had something stolen in Jamaica (having your car broken into is a given, unless you, or an employee, keep a close eye on it). You must always be on guard for this.
Even if you are very careful, the thieves will get to you eventually. When it does happen, don't blame yourself for having slipped-up - consider it as inevitable.

The crime problems continue unabated and there is a very real potential of anyone who visits the island becoming a victim.

We would not send our loved ones there ...... there are just too many other places that offer equal or better resorts, and they do that without the constant fear that comes with Jamaica today. While there are people who travel to Jamaica and are not
accosted, why take a chance with the lives of loved ones? ... When you go on a vacation, you shouldn't have to be betting on your safety or to be held "prisoner" within your resort for the same reason.


As a travel agent, I have always considered my clients safety as my highest priority ... period. I would never, under any circumstances, knowingly allow them to travel to a place that has such risks.

If any other travel agent recommends Jamaica, do your research and draw your own conclusion. But as for me, just one client being robbed, physically hurt or mistreated is one too many.
 
Bottom line, there is better diving and, most importantly, safer places to visit than Jamaica. Do your own research. Do not trust people who post positive lying reviews about Jamaica who benefit financially from you visiting there.

Thanks! I've often thought of going there. No chance now.
 
Yes I was there new it was bad form first hand experience but never realised as bad as this article states, I only had money extorted from my on one occasion.
 
David 57,
It's not an article so much as a salesman's experiences and chosen/edited web-quotes. I have no doubt that these things happened (to him?)- some/many of them have happened to me- but, as with everything there is a context, which our author has not shared. "There are lies, there are damed lies and then there are statistics". He's not lying, but he's certainly not providing a full truth either.
As mentioned above, I have no stake in Ja tourism. I am a conservation ecologist- If anything I am against the unplanned, wasteful hodge-podge that is (Jamaican?) mass-tourism today.

The island/culture is not cuddly-safe. It's also not the malicious hell-on-earth that Jerry illustrates. I appreciate the author's interest in keeping his tourists/guests happy/healthy, but this forum is not the place to promulgate such venomous bias. As our Jerry says: "do your own research", and with a traveler's wisdom, a pinch of salt.
To all, I apologize for continuing the ridiculous thread.
Mi-gaan.
A
 
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