Is helium going to be cheap again?

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Bazzathemammoth

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Hey all

It’s exciting to see that they have produced the first fusion reaction in a lab, making helium from hydrogen and releasing some extra power as an added bonus. Could we see the return off oc trimix in our lifetime!?
(Yea this is a bit tongue in cheek, but a pretty cool achievement)
 
Just read that a company is ramping up He production and distribution. Should lower the price some, but not all the way. (Because why ramp up if you won't make more)

I though we had plenty of nuclear produced He, just nobody has the guts to breath it yet?

The breathing stuff bubbles out of the ground IIRC.
 
It is cheap now compared to what it is going to cost..

Building more stuff to make more or via a different method costs money that again raises the price to pay for the infrastructure.

Do you think you will ever see gasoline ever costing $0.25/gallon again? Or even $1.00? $2.00?
 
The good news is they have good reason to capture the helium coming off of these reactions...

The bad news is that the good news is based on making Helium-3 with the intent of using it for fuel in other fusion cycles. We would only see helium-4 as an attempt to recoup costs on the waste product.

The worse news is none of this will happen at any kind of significant volume.

The worst news is a lot of these things are going to be more of a demand source for liquid helium for cooling of superconducting magnets.

The redeeming hope is that in order to make fusion sustainable, we will have to either figure out a non-fossil fuel related source of it, or get better at superconducting magnets that work at higher temperatures.
 
The bad news is that the good news is based on making Helium-3 with the intent of using it for fuel in other fusion cycles. We would only see helium-4 as an attempt to recoup costs on the waste product.
Actually, The best news is that it is Helium-3, Helium-3 would be even better than Helium-4 as a dive gas! It is non-radioactive, chemically inert, and only 3/4 the density of regular Helium!
 
Actually, The best news is that it is Helium-3, Helium-3 would be even better than Helium-4 as a dive gas! It is non-radioactive, chemically inert, and only 3/4 the density of regular Helium!
Hahah! Very true, but if you thought He-4 was expensive...

$0.14 / liter for helium-4
$2750 / liter for helium-3 o_O

I don't think switching to rebreathers would financially make up for that one...
 
Hmm, glad I have a rebreather now
 
It is cheap now compared to what it is going to cost..

Building more stuff to make more or via a different method costs money that again raises the price to pay for the infrastructure.

Do you think you will ever see gasoline ever costing $0.25/gallon again? Or even $1.00? $2.00?
Adjusted for inflation gasoline is actually not too bad. Per energy.gov and using all 2015 dollars because that's where the data came from but will also put December 2022 dollars per BLS.gov
1950 gas was $0.27/gal or $2.14 in 2015 dollars or $3.41 in todays dollars.
We should probably start in 1980 or so when the gasoline was more analogous to what we have today with additives and what not
1980 was $1.19/$2.95/$4.54
1990 was $1.15/$1.89/$2.64 *wish we could go back to that from 2020...*,
2000 $1.51/$2.02/$2.65
Starting in 2006 the average price jumped up to $2.59/$3.00/$3.88 and adjusted for inflation it hasn't really gone back down below $3.00/gal average since. Couple of blips but adjusted for inflation we are actually trending down since 2006. In terms of absolute dollars we obviously won't see it go back down to the numbers you quoted, but we may well see it go back down to inflation adjusted prices.

Basically todays gas price is the same as it was in 1950 when it was around $0.25/gal.

Now, helium is obviously mad and is up hundreds of percent in the last 15 years but after having discussed it with a senior VP of Airgas, they actually aren't making that much money on helium and really have no huge motivation to do it other than the government labs basically say they have to. It's very expensive to capture and filter out and generally irritating so if there is a commercial scale source that doesn't involve reclaiming exhaust gases from natural gas harvesting then it may well come down if it is an easy to capture waste product, obviously provided there is no radiation issues with it.
 
...obviously provided there is no radiation issues with it.
There are no radioactive isotopes of Helium. The only issue would be radioactive impurities, all of which would be relatively easy to remove because Helium is chemically inert, and the radioactive impurities would not be.
 
There are no radioactive isotopes of Helium. The only issue would be radioactive impurities, all of which would be relatively easy to remove because Helium is chemically inert, and the radioactive impurities would not be.
That’s very noble of it.
 

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