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weight belts suck. I don't know why people are still forced to train with these.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I've had very few problems with my weight belts over the last 49 years, all of the problems came directly back to me not taking the time to put it on and adjust it properly. I have had to drop my weight belt twice, but never lost one yet. With the amount of integrated weights (in addition to weight belts) I've salvaged off the bottom and jammed weights which had to be extricated, I believe they have their own downside, which will probably also get back to operator error.

May be that when one is required to use one in training, that more time is spent on proper use of the belt and on buoyancy to minimize the weight on said belt.

dumpsterDiver's suggestion to use a good rubber belt is also a great suggestion.



Bob
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Trained when J-valves solved the OOA problem.
 
FJPatrum,

Do you leave your vent on your Shoulder open?
If so it should just vent excess gas when you raise your shoulder to be the highest point on your body.
If it is all the way open, but will not vent, then I would suggest changing the valves or servicing them.

Leaving the valve open while diving will have no detriment to the suits watertight integrity as they are NRV's.

I use SP Jet fins and love the weight of them. I did try out my buddys "lighter fins" and had similar issues that disappeared when I put on ankle weights as an experiment.

Great call on the dive and good for you finding a solid and dependable buddy.

Safe diving.

Pete.
Thanks for the advice. If I open my vent all the way I start venting the moment I descend and it doesn't seem to stop. I may not have given it enough time to even out though and get equal. So far if I've tried that I feel uncomfortable squeeze below 20 feet. Conversely, closing all the way and I have a hard time managing the bubble properly.

I only 5 or 6 dives in a dry suit so I'm still working on it all.

My "heavy" fins are TUSA splits and the "floaty" fins are Mares Quattros. I had some jets but they were too small (bought them as part of a bulk used buy) so I sold them. For now I'll stick with the splits.

---------- Post added July 9th, 2013 at 07:58 PM ----------

fjpatrum;

weight belts suck. I don't know why people are still forced to train with these.

by the statement that you where wearing a weight belt ill assume you where diving a single tank with either a backplate and wing or traditional BCD. I would recommend adding weight pockets to you harness or checking into a weight integrated BCD.

as for you problems with the drysuit, try following this simple rule on descent fully close the vent on ascent full open the vent. if you are horizontal with a slight head up posture you will vent continually during you ascent and won't have a runway; even with this you may still need the rise the left arm and pull back to help vent excess gas on ascent if you start moving too fast.

also most folks that dive dry, dive a heavy fin like the hollis F1 or jet fins.

hope this is help full.


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I agree, weight belts suck. However, I have no interest in "weight integrated BCs". I am working on a "pocket" to hang off the bottom of my plate for the 8 pounds I need on a belt for dry suit diving.

I've decided that if I hang the weights from the butt of my plate they'll be in essentially the same place I try to put them when wearing a weight belt. Unfortunately this means they'll be harder to ditch but I'm working on some ideas for that. One more DIY project on the burner.

---------- Post added July 9th, 2013 at 07:58 PM ----------

If you try a good rubber belt, you probably won't have these issues. The other comment: Why carry a found weight belt? Just put it on.
Now I hadn't thought about that... put it on... that would have reduced my rolling quite a bit, I think. Duh... next time.

---------- Post added July 9th, 2013 at 08:02 PM ----------

Just a thought... are you sure you are feet light, and not top heavy?
Or both... Light feet AND topheavy?
The combo of light fins, drysuit AND topheavy will easily give the effect that if you try to maintain horizontal trim, (and especially if frogkicking) you get air in you feet, which works together with being topheavy on turning you around.

Get your good fins on, experiment with putting 2-4 pounds on the lower camband on the tank. Good luck.
I keep 6 pounds on my cam bands (3 and 3) when diving dry. I put 8 on a belt. On the second dive I was hanging the extra weight belt from my wrist, which compounded my floaty feet to the point of fatigue.

With my normal fins I never feel floaty at all with the same weights, so my trim is pretty well sorted, generally speaking. Bad combination of events and "getting off the couch" after a couple months of not diving made for a less than ideal day. Lessons learned.

I have been thinking about getting a rubber weight belt so if I don't like my pocket solution, I'll fall back on that.

---------- Post added July 9th, 2013 at 08:04 PM ----------

May be that when one is required to use one in training, that more time is spent on proper use of the belt and on buoyancy to minimize the weight on said belt.
I think I agree with this. I trained with a weight belt (but it didn't actually have weights on it because I didn't need any in a pool) for my controlled dives and then had weight integrated for my OW dives. I prefer the weight belt, generally, but I have a real problem with keeping them in place with the weights where I want them. I think a rubber belt will alleviate that.
 
I have a weight belt you can have. I also can send you a drawing of a quick release system you can use on the back of the tank that will allow for a dump if God forbid you ever need to. When I dove with your weight belt last year it kept spinning around on me putting the weights under my belly I felt like a sway backed horse after those dives. I think I will stick with my integrated BCD.
 
I have a weight belt you can have. I also can send you a drawing of a quick release system you can use on the back of the tank that will allow for a dump if God forbid you ever need to. When I dove with your weight belt last year it kept spinning around on me putting the weights under my belly I felt like a sway backed horse after those dives. I think I will stick with my integrated BCD.
S, I have about 6 weight belts now, not including any I might have left with you. Unless you mean a free-diving rubber belt, I'm set. I've got some ideas about quick release options for the pocket so I'm trying to figure that out. Generally it's a non issue because in warm water I only need about 2-4 pounds with my 5mm suit. In my 4/3 I don't need anything.

---------- Post added July 29th, 2013 at 10:44 PM ----------

FWIW, my wife and I found that pool practice was very helpful (necessary, really) to get right in a drysuit.

- Bill

The biggest issue I have is that I don't have any pools deep enough around me. I don't generally have any issues with my suit until I'm down around 40 feet and really have to start actively managing the bubble properly. Above that and I can get away with being lazy about it.
 
After trying other weighting methods, I always go back to my DUI weight and trim harness. It can be adjusted to move the weight closer to your feet, eliminating your floaty feet.
 
After trying other weighting methods, I always go back to my DUI weight and trim harness. It can be adjusted to move the weight closer to your feet, eliminating your floaty feet.

I am diving with a BP&W myself and tried using the DUI Harness and hated it. Now, saying that, after I finally got my wing adjusted properly I think I may have had my DUI to low on my hips. I felt like I was "low riding" my weight rig. It would swing around when I would walk to the water and bump me in the butt. I put it back on after getting my wing adjusted and raised it up and now it feels as if it might work out just fine. I normally wear an XS Scuba nylon weight belt but find that it is slipping lately unless I really crank it down tight. I am diving again this Saturday so I am gonna give it another try, maybe I will love it this time like I love my wing again. I will post back here and let you know how it went.

Here is a pic for reference:


 
I'm so happy that we have a swimming pool with a 12 foot deep end. Before every dive trip and any time I have new gear, I take it in the pool.
I do the same, and my pool is only 6 feet deep! I found a power inflator problem during my last test in this shallow pool.
 

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