"My introduction to the SMB", or "Viagra, anyone?"

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derwoodwithasherwood

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After reading so much about the value of an SMB here I decided to add one to my kit. I bought the only one at the LDS. Yellow with "Diver Below" in bold red print, 5', made by Trident of the same vinyl stuff used for kid's swim toys I think. It has a small weight to supposedly keep it upright on the surface and the bottom is supposed to fold over and secure with rubber domes to keep it inflated while allowing excess air out on the way up. On the principle of "practice makes perfect" I decided to try it out yesterday.

What an excercise in frustration that turned out to be. 5 mil neoprene gloves were not designed to separate two pieces of wet vinyl. I read here about using the BC exhaust for the initial fill and figured that was a good cheat but the "funnel" on the bottom of this SMB is pretty short and small in diameter. A full press of the button just resulted in air bubbles burbling all around and escaping to the surface. A partial press of the button resulted in air leaking out around the button shaft and escaping to the surface. After several cycles of letting the air out of the BC and then adding air to recover my bouyancy I finally had just enough air in this thing so it floated upright and I decided to switch to the octo. That's when I looked up and saw this 3 lb bass sitting there a couple of feet away, staring at me, as if to say "What the sam heck are you up to now, buddy?"

Octo mouthpiece wouldn't fit. Tried holding it beneath and j-u-s-t teasing the purge button to release some air. Air just filled the "funnel" without going in the bag, with the excess spilling over to the surface. I had to poke the air in with a finger. I finally got enough air in that I could no longer keep myself from rising and I let it go, fumbling around for the inflator when I discovered a big breath just wasn't going to cut it this time.

By now I swear that damn bass was laughing at me. No doubt I was a great source of amusement in an otherwise dreary day -- bobbing up and down trying (and failing miserably) to maintain a hover. He swam over to the line just above me and examined it, shaking his head in disbelief. Either that or he was shaking his head in disgust at the silt I'd managed to stir up in my efforts. Dropping my head in shame I began my ascent, reeling in the line as I went. He followed, mocking me all the way up with his unblinking stare.

I surfaced, expecting to see this proud yellow tube sticking straight up announcing my impending arrival to the world. Instead I discovered this half-limp plastic tube folded over and laying on the water. What a disappointment after all that effort. And in front of an audience at that.

Obviously this thing is going to require a bit more practice...
 
Those long things:
1) don't work well as OC bags...if you want a long SMB, get a closed circuit version.
2) don't work well as DSMBs...they are pretty much designed to be used on the surface, as they just don't really stand up very well.

What you probably want is a Semi-Closed Circuit bag that can be shot from depth and a tall marker to use on the surface.

If you need to shoot a bag from depth, it is critical that you shoot it as expeditiously as possible if you want to have any hope of being seen and picked up, so try to find something that works a little better. I've seen those trident things and they appear to be a piece of crap.
 
Great accounting of your trials and tribulations. My SMB is made by Akona, that I inflate on the surface by pulling the valve stem to open, blow in air, close valve stem and hold on to it. I guess mine is the Jr model.
 
Thanks for sharing the story - reminded me of my first lift bag deployment ... got the reel tangled up, big mess :wink: I agree with soggy - get a decent one, I've seen the trident and borrowed a Halcyon - they make a really nice dsmb. I use a smb from http://www.scubal.com they are inexpensive also (about $11) and I've deployed from depth, but they don't have an overpressure valve (otherwise really nice quality) so you have to guess at how much air to put in (oral inflation only) and let it go... Still a far cry from the trident though. In time I'll replace mine with a true Dsmb too :)

btw - amazing how complicated something so simple can get isn't it? I too practice regularly with mine so that I'm comfortable with it (about every third dive I deploy it for the practice)

Aloha, Tim
 
For those who don't parse the syntax, != means "not equal to."
 
kidspot:
I use a [safety sausage :eyebrow: ] from http://www.scubal.com they are inexpensive also (about $11) and I've deployed from depth, but they don't have an overpressure valve (otherwise really nice quality)
Hi Tim--

I got one of those too, but haven't dived with it yet. Problem is, like a lot of Triple-L/ScubaL stuff, it's, um, very heavy-duty material. Doesn't exactly roll up compactly. The pouch is nice, but again bulky.

So where do you keep the marker, or clip it off? I've asked before, and a lot of people just clip their markers rolled up to a side D-ring... but it still seems like this one would be awfully bulky.

I wear a jacket BC, and have considered threading the pouch loop through my right shoulder strap at the quick release... but it's bulky there too... looks like an old M-16 ammo pouch... :06:

--Marek
 
I put my "safety sausage" :wink: in my wetsuit pocket

It is a little tight as I have small pockets on my suit, but it fits with a spool attached... I have also stored it in the past by clipping it off to my BP(I replaced the plastic clip with a bolt snap) this was before I started attaching my spool to it ahead of time. I also replaced the velcro with some bungee which works a lot better I think.

Aloha, Tim
 
derwoodwithasherwood:
Obviously this thing is going to require a bit more practice...

I'm not familiar with the trident bag; but, from what you describe, it sounds like it is the right design for deploying from depth. It sounds like it is a DSMB, not a safety sausage.

With lots of practice, you may find even more ways to make the fish laugh. I found that it's sometimes nesessary to stick my finger into the duck-bill valve to open it up and let the air flow. That opening is the limiter for how quickly it can fill so it is pretty critical. Throwing more gas at it doens't do anything but entertain the bass. And if you really just have to have it standing proudly on the surface, you may just have to start earlier (deeper) and let Mr. Boyle do the work.

Next you can try lifting things. That makes filling a bit easier but introduces a whole new set of opportunities to entertain the fish, and your buddy.
 
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