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New Genesis 2.0

Discussion in 'Dive Propulsion Vehicles' started by Jon Nellis, Dec 7, 2019.

  1. Superlyte27

    Superlyte27 Cave Instructor

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    I have a few of these coming next week and I believe a demo scooter. I'm all over Florida if you want to try one out. I had the first Genesis (haha that's redundant) and thought it was fantastic. I'm giddy with excitement over the new Genesis.
     
  2. rjack321

    rjack321 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    1) I'm not sure I could ever afford the weight and space - I have too much stuff as it is
    2) TSA or an airline can just say "nope don't like it, not today" pretty much on a whim. Which would seriously make me weep.

    So in all likelihood I will never fly my scooter. I still like it even though I have discovered that I can't use the key to dribble an unused battery down into the storage voltage range.
     
  3. Superlyte27

    Superlyte27 Cave Instructor

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    I'll let you know how it goes. I'm taking one to Bonaire first week of March.
     
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  4. Valyngar

    Valyngar Nassau Grouper

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    Does genesis have any European representation? Can I buy it from EU without horrible import taxes from US. Seems like best scooter out there, if you can travel with it.
     
  5. rddvet

    rddvet DIR Practitioner

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    That's where I'm at and why I'm surprised there's such an interest in scooters that can travel. It's a crap shoot with TSA and foreign equivalents as to what they do and don't allow. It really seems to depend on what dummy you get to deal with. I always print out the TSA form for things like can lights and whatnot, but haven't had to use them. I'd be afraid that even with whatever paperwork Jon can supply and showing the batteries aren't connected in series, that somebody at the airports gonna say no. Then do you skip your flight and bring your scooter home or leave it at the airport for the week you're gone? Too much stress for me
     
  6. Jon Nellis

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    I've traveled with DPVs and never had a problem, but I proactively put an info packet in the bag with it explaining to the TSA inspector what it is, what the regulations are and instruction to call my cell or have me paged in the airport if they want to open the DPV to inspect, as it could be damaged from improper (dis)assembly. It's the first thing the inspector sees when they open the bag and it is really obvious. They have never called or paged me and never rejected it. It pays to be proactive.

    The only report I have heard of someone being denied is when the customer was bragging to the ticket agent about his new lithium battery scooter. The ticket agent had no clue what the regulations were and her default instructions were to deny accepting anything questionable. After numerous calls to their management, they admitted it was legal and should not have been denied, but the owner had already left and they could not forward it to their destination with out the owner being on the plane.

    Moral of the story: If you volunteer information to someone who does not know the regulations but has the power to prevent you taking it on a flight, you are your own worst enemy. When they ask me what's in the bag, I tell them "diving gear - no air tanks." Unless they have a policy that prohibits specific items, like most airlines do for hoverboards (since their batteries are between 100Wh and 160Wh) you are good to go. The TSA is charged with actually inspecting the baggage, not the airlines, and they know the regulations. 49 CFR 175.10(a)(18) and the IATA lithium battery passenger pamphlet. Airline approval is only required for batteries between 100Wh and 160Wh. You do not need airline approval for batteries less than 100Wh.
     
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  7. Jon Nellis

    Jon Nellis Captain

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    We do not have a dealer in the EU, but can ship there via FedEx or DHL. I'm not familiar with what taxes you are referring to, but either the dealer pays the import duties and passes them to the customer or the customer pays them directly. VAT can't be avoided, except we have had customers take a dive trip to the US, take a DPV home in their baggage and I doubt they claimed them on arrival.
     
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  8. Wildthing520

    Wildthing520 Angel Fish

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    If Nellis can design another extra on the top charging hole, the external battery pack is great, as long as you lose power, you can always take the power out of your pocket or backpack and put it on the top for diving.
     
  9. rjack321

    rjack321 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    So I discovered what seems like a quirk in the android battery app. This time of year (winter) it's hit or miss if I can dive sometimes with storms. If I have to cancel a dive I usually leave the electronics key installed for a few days/week to drag the battery voltage down close to the storage range - as it might sit for a month+ at full charge otherwise.

    The main screen of the app does not register the slow steady amp draw taken by the electronics from having the key installed. After a week it still showed 98% but if i scrolled into the battery details they were down to around 3.8V each. Actually using the motor is required for the app mainscreen to see and record the power consumed and the state of overall charge.
     
  10. Superlyte27

    Superlyte27 Cave Instructor

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    We got our new scooters earlier this week and dove them at Ginnie last night. They are fantastic. The Sentry computer is awesome.
     

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