question wrt YS-D2 on manual

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You can also do the adjustments on land it'll be pretty close underwater if you are close enough to your subject, it won't be perfect but a great starting point - just don't take too many shots on land - you don't want to overheat the strobe. It's easier to look at the histogram etc on land and decide what you want to do with the exposure.
 
You can also do the adjustments on land it'll be pretty close underwater if you are close enough to your subject, it won't be perfect but a great starting point - just don't take too many shots on land - you don't want to overheat the strobe. It's easier to look at the histogram etc on land and decide what you want to do with the exposure.

Thanks.... especially about the warning on overheating the strobes.....
 
I will confess that you can try the on land thing but I’m not sure that will really help your underwater photography in terms of the “right” settings for the strobes. Exposure underwater is obviously very different and I’ve found you just need to play with the strobes until you get the shot you like. It does get easier with practice.
 
I will confess that you can try the on land thing but I’m not sure that will really help your underwater photography in terms of the “right” settings for the strobes. Exposure underwater is obviously very different and I’ve found you just need to play with the strobes until you get the shot you like. It does get easier with practice.

I did this just to make sure I was in the correct flash mode and the OP can use that to understand how clicking it clockwise or counterclockwise will change the light output. Otherwise, I agree with you!
 
Do not increase ISO (at least by very much) because the strobes are much more sensitive to increasing the ISO/sensitivity of the camera's chip and increasing ISO even a little bit will usually make the strobes blow out the photo much more than lowering shutter speed or opening the aperture.
Sorry, I don't understand this. An ISO change of 2x is equivalent to one f/stop, or an EV change of 1.
 
But I have found that shots taken in DS-TTL mode with the RX100 in auto or program mode (shooting in manual with DS-TTL basically defeats the purpose of the DS-TTL mode) are usually quite overexposed, requiring me to lower the output of the strobes.
Maybe you are not saying what I think you are saying, but if you are shooting in Auto, then doesn't the camera adjust for ambient light and give you the correct exposure for that? And if you then add a strobe on top, doesn't that overexpose it?
 
I will confess that you can try the on land thing but I’m not sure that will really help your underwater photography in terms of the “right” settings for the strobes. Exposure underwater is obviously very different and I’ve found you just need to play with the strobes until you get the shot you like. It does get easier with practice.

Not my experience at all it will get you within a stop or two at most to the correct setting - it's only to establish a starting point. And if you are very close as you should be the setting will be be almost right. Light is light and if the distances remain the same the amount of light reaching the subject remains the same.
 
Sorry, I don't understand this. An ISO change of 2x is equivalent to one f/stop, or an EV change of 1.

Agree ISO and aperture are interchangeable one stop on ISO = one stop on aperture - shutter speed has no impact on flash exposure as long as you are less than max sync speed.
 
@Chris Ross and @tursiops, I guess I wasn't clear or maybe we're saying the same thing. First, regarding shooting your strobe in a room above water--I assume we're talking shooting in Manual and RAW. My point was that I don't see how one can replicate how dark or light the underwater conditions are by turning off the room lights or dimming them. As you know, the light or lack thereof underwater can change very dramatically in 10 feet or so, and so if you're at 100 feet it may be a lot darker (depending on whether is is clear or cloudy up top or not) than it is at 50 feet. And light is not light at depth; it is totally different in terms of strobe use. So I think it would be hard to replicate those variances in a dark(ened) room, and I've never heard anyone (eg, from backscatter or bluewaterphoto) recommend that approach. Everyone I've spoken with--and all the Internet sites I've researched--suggest getting shutter and aperture where you want and then experimenting with the strobes' power output.

Second, and very much relatedly, as you know, at depth, one uses shutter speed to "dial a blue" and to achieve the color one wants in the background, since the strobes will light the foreground irrespective of shutter speed. So the faster the shutter the darker blue the background. As noted, the shutter speed will not affect the strobes, since they fire far faster than the shutter ever could, so the amount of light provided by the strobes is almost entirely a function of the power setting you have them on. Now, let's say that you like the way the background of your shot looks shutter-wise, and you're happy with your aperture, but when you fire the strobes your foreground is too dark or too hot. Above water, without strobes, if you like your speed and aperture settings, then maybe you adjust your ISO or even your exposure compensation. But neither of those work well underwater: as noted, adjusting your shutter will only affect the BACKGROUND and not the foreground where the strobes are firing. Similarly, increasing ISO or EV will increase light receptiveness for the ENTIRE photo, meaning both the background and the foreground will be more (or less, as the case may be) exposed. But again, that's not what you want, we've agreed you like the way the background (shutter speed) looks and the aperture. Moreover, because the strobes are so powerful, increasing the ISO or EV even a little bit usually results in the foreground getting blown out--strobes are really really sensitive to increased ISO.

So for all these reasons, you want to first dial in your shutter and aperture at the lowest ISO you can achieve that makes the background look good/blue, etc., and then use the strobe power levels to get the foreground exposure the way you like it.

Here are a few examples where I used this technique: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmFrVnhn

I hope this makes sense. Thanks.

Ps. One additional note: the YS-D2s are so powerful I have yet to encounter a wide-angle shot I could not get with them on or near full power, see, e.g., the very wide shot of the fans in the link.
 
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