almightywife and catherin, thanks very much both of you, and yes there is a little more to the story, jennifer didnt like the first instructor, not as a person as she liked him as a person but she wasnt comfertable with him as instructor, i thought he was great, was mine from ow-aow, but she got scared the first time, ok i can understand,but then she waited 9 months and then wanted to try again, so, this being the way my OLD lds is, i had to pay to rent the pool,$50, for the instructor$50 and then rerent all of the gear for her $80, and then after she finished her refresher in the pool, she had to go to monterey for the weekend to finish cert dives, gas $60, motel $110 food, well you get the idea ,lol,and then she made excuse that her braces hurt and quit again, so all in all i paid the first full cost of an open water cert, and then all of the refresher stuff, not to mention the brand new dry suit hood she left on the rocks, you know were that went,$89, lol but now i have been with my new lds,awsome lds at that, and it has been a month over the year she had to finish, so they do require that she do the hole class over, yes they will give me a break, probley half price, and the owner also told me to wait till the end of feb as i will be an instructor myself and could do it for free, but does SHE deserve it!!! i want her to dive with me as she and i are real close buddies, but i also understand that i have to draw the line somewere and be a dad!!!! bummer, and now she is 16 yr scary!!!!