Just where is that "ignore" button??? Psychocabbage...psychocabbage...ah, there it is!
Lionfish/DM's don't care!
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1KWIK_69
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Right back at you.....
I now recall seeing your posts on other forums of which you no longer are allowed to frequent. I remember the videos of you and your family in Cozumel last year touching the marine life, etc....
I can't begin to fathom how you come up with some of this stuff.... I'm sorry but I can't stand to read about you constantly professing how much better or above everyone else you are. Get over yourself.
Smoochy, stop feeding the trolls(AKA psychocabbage)!
He is not an indiginous species to Scuba Board and if you stop feeding him he'll die of starvation and the problem will be solved.
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
The DM's are not mandated to kill them or capture them, but they ARE required to report sightings to the marine park! If they have been coached and know the correct procedures for capturing them, and can do so safely - they are authorized to capture them alive - but not intentionally kill them.
They are not allowed to kill them, or not required to? In Belize they are (unofficially) requested to kill them and report it, but not required to do anything.
I am a firm believer in evolution. It's all around us. We, as people, have evolved dramatically in the past century. Our thinking has evolved that has allowed us to create technologies that better our lives, or at the very least make them more convenient. It's thirst for knowledge that allows this. Sometimes, we even think we know better than nature and try to change it. We mostly do not understand the consequences of changing nature until after the fact.
For example, New Orleans was founded on the wet lands near the delta of the Mississippi River. New Orleans was already on land that was at or below sea-level, but we built a city there anyways. We tried to control the flooding of the Mississippi by building earth based levee's. Little did we know, by doing so, we would limit the amount of soils into the wet lands that help keep it alive. Another consequence was that by controlling the amount of moisture onto the lands, that New Orleans sits on, that we would allow the soil to dry up. Allowing this allowed New Orleans to literally sink into the ground, furthering it's distance below sea level. What happens when you have a city that's about 10 feet below sea level, surrounded by water (Mississippi River, Lake Pontchartrain, and Gulf of Mexico), and a large storm blows by? You have an incident like Katrina that created a storm surge that topped the levee's and in some places, destroyed them, flooding the city like somebody pouring milk into their cereal bowl.
Unfortunately, that's not the only time that we've tried to change nature and it turned out disastrous for us. Why should the lion fish in the Caribbean be any different? How did marine life survive in the presence of lion fish in the South Pacific? Evolution. The marine life in the Caribbean will adapt to their new neighbor, we just need to allow nature to do her job. Unfortunately, we are a people who fear change, therefore we try to control it. By controlling the change, I fear that we are going to make the problem worse. Who here really thinks that the lion fish is out of it's natural habitation? The tropical salt waters of the South Pacific really aren't that different than the tropical salt waters of the Caribbean.
Nature changes periodically. Since the beginning of the creation of the earth, it has seen the contents of the atmosphere change, the gaseous content of the oceans change, the life has changed, the temperature has changed, and the land formations have changed. Over the long run, there is absolutely nothing we can do to prevent nature from taking her course. My advice, sit back and enjoy nature for what she offers.
For example, New Orleans was founded on the wet lands near the delta of the Mississippi River. New Orleans was already on land that was at or below sea-level, but we built a city there anyways. We tried to control the flooding of the Mississippi by building earth based levee's. Little did we know, by doing so, we would limit the amount of soils into the wet lands that help keep it alive. Another consequence was that by controlling the amount of moisture onto the lands, that New Orleans sits on, that we would allow the soil to dry up. Allowing this allowed New Orleans to literally sink into the ground, furthering it's distance below sea level. What happens when you have a city that's about 10 feet below sea level, surrounded by water (Mississippi River, Lake Pontchartrain, and Gulf of Mexico), and a large storm blows by? You have an incident like Katrina that created a storm surge that topped the levee's and in some places, destroyed them, flooding the city like somebody pouring milk into their cereal bowl.
Unfortunately, that's not the only time that we've tried to change nature and it turned out disastrous for us. Why should the lion fish in the Caribbean be any different? How did marine life survive in the presence of lion fish in the South Pacific? Evolution. The marine life in the Caribbean will adapt to their new neighbor, we just need to allow nature to do her job. Unfortunately, we are a people who fear change, therefore we try to control it. By controlling the change, I fear that we are going to make the problem worse. Who here really thinks that the lion fish is out of it's natural habitation? The tropical salt waters of the South Pacific really aren't that different than the tropical salt waters of the Caribbean.
Nature changes periodically. Since the beginning of the creation of the earth, it has seen the contents of the atmosphere change, the gaseous content of the oceans change, the life has changed, the temperature has changed, and the land formations have changed. Over the long run, there is absolutely nothing we can do to prevent nature from taking her course. My advice, sit back and enjoy nature for what she offers.
This treatise is so full of erroneous statements and misconceptions I don't know where to begin....First, this isn't an act of nature, their presence here is an act of MAN. Using your logic if lionfish belonged here they would already be. This is not their natural habitation - they are way out of their natural habitat by half a world. They are doing damage to the local systems they are now inhabiting and we are only beginning to see how much. Are you going to "sit back and enjoy" what happens when they reach the shrimping grounds of Texas and Louisiana that many people depend on for their livelihoods? That will probably occur next year and in 5 years there may not be much left to harvest except lionfish. That is the REAL potential of these fish and every early study has proven it. They exist here in eight times the density than in their native habits so the controls on their population that exist at home ARE NOT present here. They can clean a reef of 80% of it's fish in 5 weeks - not exactly the balance of nature the local inhabitants are used to. What about them? They're just going to have to "adapt" ? When you're gone there ain't no adapting. They have NO predators here and NO environmental controls other than the winter water temperature changes north of the Carolinas that kills off the fish that reach as far as New England every summer. These waters ARE different. They LIKE it here. It's PARADISE for them. And they're taking over in a way that's UNNATURAL even for lionfish. In every way and for every wrong reason this pestilence is an act of Man that is going to bite us in a big way. Don't try to pin this tragedy on Mother Nature. With regards to lionfish, it's only in the places where they really belong that she's actually in control.
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As far as I'm aware, there isn't anybody who can say with any certainty that "the lion fish were introduced into the Caribbean at this location, at this time, by this person." Truth is, we don't know for a fact how they got there. Sure, there are some theories, and they may be valid theories, but to state "First, this isn't an act of nature, their presence here is an act of MAN" as a fact, just isn't truthful.
Regardless, the lion fish are in their natural habitat. They are in tropical salt water. That is their environment, no matter where that body of water is located. Evolution can sometimes take millions of years. Major shifts in the rise and fall of varying life and the evolution of better suited life has happened at least 5 times in 4.3ish billion years, going by the "era's" on our geologic time scale.
You aren't going to change the course of nature. At the most, all you are doing is delaying the inevitable.
1KWIK_69
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Well you ARE absolutely wrong on that one! What, did they jump over Africa?
They couldn't survive in the climates they'd have to get through to get around South Africa or South America. If they came through the Panama Canal, well it's man made. We put them here for sure and DNA testing, as was mentioned earlier, links them to a small group of ancestors. Probably the ones that were released when Andrew broke that aquarium....
Are you just one of those people that only wants to win an argument at any cost, including the truth?
Love them or hate them, they are here to stay - so we had better get used to them.
Or act like King C'Nut, killing one Lionfish at a time and thinking that he is achieving something.
Or act like King C'Nut, killing one Lionfish at a time and thinking that he is achieving something.
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