Is Deep Air / Light Deco (bounce?) Discussible on ScubaBoard?

[Hank49]

Posting on a public internet forum, on the basis of establish credentials and experience, brings a form of responsibility. Whether you wish to recognise it or not, such discussions can easily be viewed as advocating an activity. Advocating something from a position of authority is a form of encouragement... a 'green light'.

Personally, I wouldn't want to live with myself, should my 'right' to discuss a contentious subject on an open public forum lead to someone else taking my 'advice' and killing themselves.

When I do share such information with a less experienced diver, it is in a personal/real-life context; where I can balance the discussion against my understanding of that person's character and mindset... and also balance a theoretical debate with the reality of the risks taken and the consequences of those risks.

Debates here on SB rarely have that balance...and never have that understanding of the readers' mindset or intentions.

At least when deep air bouncing/diving is discussed on a forum like this, any reader will see both sides of the argument. This is a good thing. When I started doing deep air dives it was based on the information that I got from the guys doing it where I was living, working and diving.
Most young men who learn to dive are going to be lured by the depths. Better they can read about it from experienced divers presenting all the views. It will likely PREVENT many from just deciding, "well ****....I'll give it a try, dropping to 70 meters and see....".

 

[Jax]

Y'know, used to be that parents didn't discuss sex around children, thinking that if they don't know,
they won't do it.

The fact is, all this cuss and discuss is moot.

The majority of people will read the first paragraph (of whatever story), and react however the "spin doctors" or their predilection dictates.

"Shallow thinkers" will hear about bounce dives, and go "cool, I want to do that"

Thinkers will continue on to figure out how to do that.

Cautious thinkers will consider risks in the "how"

Critical thinkers will also consider why one should NOT do that.

Analyzers will know they need to do more training, learning, and reading to assess the risks of doing and not doing.

In the end,

Shallow thinkers will just do it, and contribute to the fatalities.

The critical thinkers and analyzers may or may not dive deep on air, but if they do, they will have trained and assessed the risk.


Does discussing it give tacit approval? I think not, any more than "Fast and Furious" gave tacit approval to street racing. People will do what they will do. At least, by discussing it, some of the wisdom of those that think will be imparted to those who are learning.

 

[knowone]

Brilliant

 

[DuboisP]

This is, indeed, the case with BSAC and other CMAS evolved European organisations. However, the deco is extremely light and governed by tables.

To be honest, I think it's an anachronism - something that exists purely because the relevant procedures haven't been updated, in line with modern technology, training opportunities...and, well, community consensus.
As for France... well, it's just France. French people live there. Adhering or recognising any form of international consensus seems to be an anathema to their national culture

is 24 min time to surface is an extremely light deco, even governed by computer ?

consensus by quality, or by quantity ?

is a majority of people tellling the same words create a truth ?

 

[DuboisP]

Do you really dive to a ppO2 of 1.8? That alone shows either your training is outdated or you have an extremely high risk-tolerance, or both.

or knows that PpO2 of 1.4 is an extremely low security limit ?
or maybe has tested his own limit of PpO2 at 2.0 ?

 

[knowone]

I'll be there's someone out there in the world still willing to train halemano to 2.0, so then he could push it even further, and still be able to stand by the fact that he was 'trained' by someone else and so therefore it must be okay...

[ ...and this really points out another problem with deep air -- it tends to be symptomatic of the diver in general believing that they're smarter than everyone else and the rules don't apply to them... ]

Almost fifty years in the ocean will do that to you.

Stick with getting advice from people that hand themselves
over to an agency and are no longer able to differentiate


Or you can continue to listen to Bailey and Lynne
who with a combined existence of 115 years have a
TOTAL OF FIFTEEN YEARS DIVE EXPERIENCE
HAVING STARTED AT FIFTY YEARS OF AGE

Now there's me and halemano with almost a combined 100
years of life, with probably NINETY YEARS IN THE OCEAN

Diving unencumbered without four tanks and a shop full of gear
diving completely disconnected from the elements in a drysuit


But if I wanted to learn something and was too LAZY or STUPID
to learn it by taking the short cut of a dive course because remember
you have no idea what to know unless you DO IT outside the womb of
the mostly complete crap class

then I would ask dumpsterDiver, one of the very few
on here that goes about his business and gets it done

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

From the perspective of the people I dive with that is simple. Price and availability. The majority of which earn 1,ooo-$1500 per month. They have a chance to do a wreck dive to 50 meters for $20 on air or not do the dive because it costs 2 days pay.

So they do the dive on air.

Is that a valid reason? For some of you no, for many of us, yes.

... which only points out the fact that a person's life is worth less in some parts of the world than in others ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Or you can continue to listen to Bailey and Lynne
who with a combined existence of 115 years they have a
TOTAL OF FIFTEEN YEARS DIVE EXPERIENCE
HAVING STARTED AT FIFTY YEARS OF AGE

Now there's me and halemano with almost a combined 100
years of life, with probably NINETY YEARS IN THE OCEAN

... of course, doing the same stupid things for 50 years doesn't make them any less stupid ...

Some people just learn quicker than others ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[knowone]

Ten years diving, having started at fifty and only sharing
you biased information if people ask you nicely or pay you


Surely you jest no?

What should I do today

halemanos sig

I know, I'll start diving and teaching as a menopausal gift to myself
in a swamp

Joke yes!

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Ten years diving, having started at fifty and only sharing
you biased information if people ask you nicely or pay you


Surely you jest no?

What should I do today halemanos sig

I know, I'll start diving and teaching as a menopausal gift to myself
in a swamp

Joke yes!

... or perhaps I've even managed to teach you something ... your last two posts have been almost coherent ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)