Diver lost in Cozumel today

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The DM and Captain appeared before the Port Captain yesterday and it was indicated they will likely be cited for negligence. The final report is due out today and they also said the husband will not be taking legal action against the dive shop.

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The DM and Captain appeared before the Port Captain yesterday and it was indicated they likely be cited for negligence.

It would be more useful if they made all the dive ops explain that the DM can not keep anybody safe, and that in the event of a problem the divers should surface as a buddy team, inflate a surface marker and wait for the boat.

It's always sad when they "round up the usual suspects." No human can simultaneously take care of an underwater group while also surfacing with a diver.

flots.
 
It would be more useful if they made all the dive ops explain that the DM can not keep anybody safe, and that in the event of a problem the divers should surface as a buddy team, inflate a surface marker and wait for the boat.

It's always sad when they "round up the usual suspects." No human can simultaneously take care of an underwater group while also surfacing with a diver.

flots.

You are so correct. With the typical single DM to a group it's impossible to both safely surface some of the group while also making sure the remaining underwater group is also okay.
 
It would be more useful if they made all the dive ops explain that the DM can not keep anybody safe, and that in the event of a problem the divers should surface as a buddy team, inflate a surface marker and wait for the boat.

It's always sad when they "round up the usual suspects." No human can simultaneously take care of an underwater group while also surfacing with a diver.

flots.

The responsible dive shops who properly ascertain the divers capabilities prior to choosing an appropriate dive site have no problem with their DM'S safely watching divers. Of course when you herd divers onto a boat and fail to address the divers capability's and NEGLIGENTLY dump them on a known dangerous wall, what do they expect will happen. They should be out of business IMO.
 
The responsible dive shops who properly ascertain the divers capabilities prior to choosing an appropriate dive site have no problem with their DM'S safely watching divers. Of course when you herd divers onto a boat and fail to address the divers capability's and NEGLIGENTLY dump them on a known dangerous wall, what do they expect will happen. They should be out of business IMO.

OK, so you're a DM leading a group of 6 certified, qualified divers on a wall dive.

One heads up.

If you go with the ascending diver to make sure everything is OK and wait until the boat arrives and the diver reboards, you have just abandoned five divers who could easily get lost or killed in some other manner.

If you stay with the remaining five, the diver who ascended could have some sort of problem and be lost or killed.

As a good DM, how do you do both at the same time?

Also, there is no "wall dive" certification that I'm aware of, and aside from prior successful wall dives, I also don't know of any way to ascertain whether any particular diver is qualified to dive on one.

flots.
 
happens all the time... it's not a perfect world.


The responsible dive shops who properly ascertain the divers capabilities prior to choosing an appropriate dive site have no problem with their DM'S safely watching divers. Of course when you herd divers onto a boat and fail to address the divers capability's and NEGLIGENTLY dump them on a known dangerous wall, what do they expect will happen. They should be out of business IMO.
 
Kelly,

I appreciate what you are saying, and please understand that the whole family has been and will be in my thoughts and prayers. However, this is the forum specifically setup to discuss accidents and incidents like this and to dispassionately evaluate what was done and what can be learned from it. There has been a thread started in the "Passings" forum that is a great place to express the "knee time" and love and support for Cristina and her family.
 
OK, so you're a DM leading a group of 6 certified, qualified divers on a wall dive.

One heads up.

If you go with the ascending diver to make sure everything is OK and wait until the boat arrives and the diver reboards, you have just abandoned five divers who could easily get lost or killed in some other manner.

If you stay with the remaining five, the diver who ascended could have some sort of problem and be lost or killed.

As a good DM, how do you do both at the same time?

Also, there is no "wall dive" certification that I'm aware of, and aside from prior successful wall dives, I also don't know of any way to ascertain whether any particular diver is qualified to dive on one.

flots.

Every dive briefing I have ever had the DM says buddies stick together period. It is NOT their responsibility to surface with anyone under normal circumstances however if they are attending to an emergency that would have been also covered in the briefing and the rule would have been all divers surface ASAP safely behind them. Of course there is no wall dive it's called advanced as most walls there are right around the 60 ft "C" card limit. IMO you need an advanced certification prior to diving over any of those walls OR have a certain number of dives at that location that would have any dive shop conclude you are competent enough to go near them. I am not sure who you dive with but I was never allowed near those walls without enough experience. In this particular case it does not matter what the DM did, the shop was negligent in the first place for letting them near any walls in Cozumel PERIOD. Another thing nobody has mentioned........they were from a cruise...I wonder if this particular dive shop is repeatedly recommended by that cruise company. If they point anyone towards a dive shop that is partly responsible for a divers death I would think there is a huge liability issue. Just my opinion of course.
 
Kelly,

I appreciate what you are saying, and please understand that the whole family has been and will be in my thoughts and prayers. However, this is the forum specifically setup to discuss accidents and incidents like this and to dispassionately evaluate what was done and what can be learned from it. There has been a thread started in the "Passings" forum that is a great place to express the "knee time" and love and support for Cristina and her family.
See http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/passings/415952-cristina-cassin-28-mar-2012-cozumel.html
 
Aside from the obvious issues that people have stated above about how well dive ops and DMs make people aware of the hazards and the limitations of the DM in protecting them from harm, I have realized another thing in reading about this incident. This is not to place any blame whatsoever on Cristina's husband, because prior to this incident, I would have done exactly what he did. What I realized is that at the point my buddy notifies me of a problem, especially one they want to abort the dive to address, I need to either maintain physical contact or keep them in my sight at all times after that so that I can be ready to help if needed. I already carry a noisemaker in my hand; a metal locking carabiner that I can either click the gate on to get my buddy's attention or can bang against my tank to get everybody's attention. So in the future, if I find myself in this kind of situation, when my buddy says they need to abort the dive, I will grab him or her by the BC with one hand and bang on my tank with the other to get the DM's attention. Then we can ascend together.

I had an incident in Belize many years ago that is actually somewhat similar to what happened here. My wife and I were fairly new divers (~30 dives or so). The winds were blowing onshore at 15-25 kts with higher gusts. Waves were breaking onto the reef in the 4-6' range with a few higher swells approaching 8'. For the morning dive, we stayed inside the reef. Our lunch was very late in coming due to slow service and I wolfed down a burger, then ran to the boat for the afternoon dive, thinking we would be inside the reef again. When the boat crew requested a vote on diving outside the reef, only my wife and I voted to stay inside. I should have called the dive then, because I get seasick very easily and wasn't comfortable with drift diving in such rough conditions. But I didn't want to get stuck waiting on the boat in those seas either. So we did the dive. I tried to stay shallower knowing that I used air faster and didn't want to sit in the boat waiting for the rest of the divers. What I also did was subject myself to more surge action than the rest of the divers, and I got seasick.

One of two smart moves I made was to go to my wife and grab onto her BC. Then I did my second smart move. Using skills I learned in Rescue Diver class (that we took right before going on the trip), I vomited at 80 feet underwater 3 times and each time, I made sure to push the purge button on my reg before I stuck it back in my mouth so I wouldn't aspirate particles. Nobody else on the dive knew what was happening until they saw the fish eagerly helping consume my little chum clouds. Looking back, the main reason I grabbed my wife was to secure my buoyancy. She had no idea what was coming, and when I kept turning away from her to try to puke, she kept turning me back to her. By grabbing on to her, I established a connection and avoided losing my buddy or the group.

I realize now that had I tried to puke by myself, not only would I have risked losing buoyancy control, but I could have also blacked out, ingested water, lost contact with the group, or worse. If I had panicked and ascended early, we would have forced the boat to leave the group's bubbles to pick us up, and at the time, we had no SMBs (we do now). So looking back, I did a dive I shouldn't have done, and wouldn't do now. We got a very limited brief on procedures from the DM and boat captain. And the best move I made all day was to grab my buddy and not let go when I got into a difficult situation. It is a shame it took a thread about such a tragic incident to remind me what a great lesson I learned way back when.
 
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