Rebreather Went out of breath at the end of a dive with on a CCR

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Hi, I wanted to share an experience. This happened during a CCR class. I use a JJ CCR, lungs are on the high setting and I have a suit inflate strapped to the wing.

For some reason the gas felt a bit heavier than usual, but that was my first time to under 50m so I thought that was maybe normal, I do not know if this is related. The gas was appropriate, it was 16/45 for the diluent.

Visibility was 20+m and perfect, water was about 15C I had appropriate undergarnments, no currents and we were not swimming hard although I was feeling very unfit this week as we had long days. (on the two previous days, I felt like I was possibly coming with a cold as I was out of breath after the long dives we did)

Right before an ascent, it felt a bit harder to breathe but because we had long days I thought it was the tiredness. We did an ascent and stayed at 9 then 6m, I think I didn't see a different for the first half a hour. 10 minutes before the stops where finished I think the shortness of breath increased and I thought that maybe I had a bit of asthma for some reason and because we had very long dives the previous days I thought that was probably the cause (in retrospect I should have bailed out immediately).

As we were getting close to the last minutes I felt like it was harder to get breaths but then the stops were nearly finished.

Once ascending to the surface, it felt actually much worse and I think I had asthma so I told the instructor to help me to get on the boat, at this point I couldn't get full breaths without wheezing (this felt like asthma, I am asthmatic).

I got help on the boat, got some Ventolin but it took me maybe 20 minutes to get my breathing to a reasonable rate, I was still coughing and has mucus production (similar to Asthma).

The next day I had still light cough and asthma.

I am not sure what this means, and I will see a hyperbaric doctor specialist (the same than the one who sign my fit to dive medicals). I read about IPO but I am not sure how you could differentiate this from asthma and I am not sure whether this could be CO2 hit that triggered my asthma. I never had such violent asthma appearing in such a short amount of time.

The thing I feel really stupid is that I should have bailed out immediately as it could be CO2, maybe I felt pressured because this is a class but that was clearly the wrong decision.

Tagging @Duke Dive Medicine as I have seen that he is a helpful person.
 
Hi, I wanted to share an experience. This happened during a CCR class.

For some reason the gas felt a bit heavier than usual, but that was my first time to under 50m so I thought that was maybe normal, I do not know if this is related. The gas was appropriate, it was 16/45 for the diluent.

Visibility was 20+m and perfect, water was about 15C I had appropriate undergarnments, no currents and we were not swimming hard although I was feeling very unfit this week as we had long days. (on the two previous days, I felt like I was possibly coming with a cold as I was out of breath after the long dives we did)

Right before an ascent, it felt a bit harder to breathe but because we had long days I thought it was the tiredness. We did an ascent and stayed at 9 then 6m, I think I didn't see a different for the first half a hour. 10 minutes before the stops where finished I think the shortness of breath increased and I thought that maybe I had a bit of asthma for some reason and because we had very long dives the previous days I thought that was probably the cause (in retrospect I should have bailed out immediately).

As we were getting close to the last minutes I felt like it was harder to get breaths but then the stops were nearly finished.

Once ascending to the surface, it felt actually much worse and I think I had asthma so I told the instructor to help me to get on the boat, at this point I couldn't get full breaths without wheezing (this felt like asthma, I am asthmatic).

I got help on the boat, got some Ventolin but it took me maybe 20 minutes to get my breathing to a reasonable rate, I was still coughing and has mucus production (similar to Asthma).

The next day I had still light cough and asthma.

I am not sure what this means, and I will see a hyperbaric doctor specialist (the same than the one who sign my fit to dive medicals). I read about IPO but I am not sure how you could differentiate this from asthma and I am not sure whether this could be CO2 hit that triggered my asthma. I never had such violent asthma appearing in such a short amount of time.

The thing I feel really stupid is that I should have bailed out immediately as it could be CO2, maybe I felt pressured because this is a class but that was clearly the wrong decision.

Tagging @Duke Dive Medicine as I have seen that he is a helpful person.

If I had to guess.

I don't think bent nor CO2 hit, but I am not a doc so go with what they say.

Next time, call the DAN emergency line and talk with them, seriously, in case it is something that will more likely cause more damage as time passes than start healing.

IPE is something that was more common a few decades ago at the start of tech diving catching on when many (most)regs breathed generally like crap, better performance regs and it was less common to see/hear divers having for about the last 25 years or so, but has made a bit of a come back with CCR and freaking full face snorkel masks. Both have the physics going on that seem problematic for some folks. However, to my knowledge it has not been well quantified. My getting too long tenure at this and observation combined with what I know makes me "feel" this is a strong connection, others may disagree
 

If I had to guess.

I don't think bent nor CO2 hit, but I am not a doc so go with what they say.

Next time, call the DAN emergency line and talk with them, seriously, in case it is something that will more likely cause more damage as time passes than start healing.

IPE is something that was more common a few decades ago at the start of tech diving catching on when many (most)regs breathed generally like crap, better performance regs and it was less common to see/hear divers having for about the last 25 years or so, but has made a bit of a come back with CCR and freaking full face snorkel masks. Both have the physics going on that seem problematic for some folks. However, to my knowledge it has not been well quantified. My getting too long tenure at this and observation combined with what I know makes me "feel" this is a strong connection, others may disagree

Read this, look at "causes" think about the physics of CCR diving. There is higher hydrostatic pressure changes than OC because physics, higher WOB making your work harder with all associated body parts.

Again however, just my feeling.

Your symptoms however check all the boxes so far
 

Read this, look at "causes" think about the physics of CCR diving. There is higher hydrostatic pressure changes than OC because physics, higher WOB making your work harder with all associated body parts.

Again however, just my feeling.

Your symptoms however check all the boxes so far
This study just supports my feeling

 
This study just supports my feeling

a bit more reading

 
a bit more reading

This makes a connection with CCR and IPE, however I still lean more to WOB and physics combined with physiology, but still a valid hypothesis and one that needs better understanding regards (hyperoxia, and your case with several previous dives, deco i assume and lots of hyperoxia , possible inflammation of lung and lung wall tissues etc from oxygen during said deco.. I can see a world where it contributes for sure)

 
This makes a connection with CCR and IPE, however I still lean more to WOB and physics combined with physiology, but still a valid hypothesis and one that needs better understanding regards (hyperoxia, and your case with several previous dives, deco i assume and lots of hyperoxia , possible inflammation of lung and lung wall tissues etc from oxygen during said deco.. I can see a world where it contributes for sure)

Oh, and the full face snorkel mask connection, again, CCR and these share some physics while using.

 
From personal experience I would also consider pulmonary oxygen toxicity aka Lorrain Smith effect.
yeah, don't disagree, the only thing that leans me to IPE is that it came on at depth on the dive in question, if came on during deco I would lean there. That said, as I said above, I am pretty sure (anecdotally and based off my non doctor understanding) that "mild" POT likely makes one more susceptible to IPE, and I am not alone in that "guess" and many of the others guessing have MD or Phd in a related field behind their name, not MBA and just decades doing this. LOL
 
Oh, and feel better soon!
 
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