Sidemount and helmets in open water

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I didn't read the entire thread, but my 2 cents to the OP. Most of times I dive sidemount, also in open water. Usually I'm the only SM diver on the site and it makes me look weird to others. A helmet doesn't add much to that. :) When I entered my cave training, there was no question about wearing a helmet or not. Having one was the standard. I like the lights mounted on the helmet in order to have free hands, therefore almost every time I carry lights I wear a helmet. So far I have encountered just two disadvantages: 1) it is more complicated to exchange a mask; 2) I cannot scratch my head or touch it when freezing.

3) It takes more technique to dive with a buddy since you can't look at each other without blinding him.
4) Light signals are not an option unless you have unusually agile neck muscles

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
I didn't read the entire thread, but my 2 cents to the OP.
I guess not reading the whole thread could have been a good idea this time :wink:

Most of times I dive sidemount, also in open water.
In my opinion that describes a significant mayority of sidemount dives nowdays.

Usually I'm the only SM diver on the site and it makes me look weird to others.
I actually haven't met a local diver competely surprised by sidemount in a while. :cool:

A helmet doesn't add much to that. :)
Oh yes it does. You could read the whole thread to have an example, but be prepared to be horrified :wink:

When I entered my cave training, there was no question about wearing a helmet or not. Having one was the standard.
That's a significant local difference. Helmets are rarely allowed by cave instructors here.

I like the lights mounted on the helmet in order to have free hands, therefore almost every time I carry lights I wear a helmet.
Have to mention there that I carry and use lights on almost every dive.
Never go without primary and several backups and use about 10Ah in a normal week, half that with only training dives at novice locations in a week.
In very good weather and visibility conditions additional night dives use the same amount.

So far I have encountered just two disadvantages:
I would rather say I encountered dozens, but none outweigh the advantages.

1) it is more complicated to exchange a mask;
True. But how often do you have to exchange masks in reality. I practice with the helmet now, don't see a problem. The worst outcome is probably dropping the helmet.

2) I cannot scratch my head or touch it when freezing.
That one I very signifficant I think.
You also cannot correct mistakes with hoods, hair, bent ears as easily.
I had to take off the helmet a few times.

3) It takes more technique to dive with a buddy since you can't look at each other without blinding him.
I only found technological solutions, no technique to reliably avoid mistakes otherwise.

4) Light signals are not an option unless you have unusually agile neck muscles
That is what I like about the gosidemount mounting system, and also why I use a problematic hose routing.

Light signals are ok when you can turn the light at least in one direction (up and down in this case).
And since you have the hand at the light then anyway, you can also unclip it and use it for more complicated signaling.
 
Helmets are rarely allowed by cave instructors here.

Really? I never heard that before.

Why shouldn't a SM diver be allowed to use a helmet, if he/she prefers to do so?
Not that I would ever use or recommend a helmet, but that's just my opinion....
 
You are joking, right?

Have a look here below "Doing It Wrongly"
Doing It Right (scuba diving) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your link, and DIR for the matter, is backmount and not relevant in this subforum.
A helmet is very much counterproductive in backmount. It will interfere with the valves/manifold and the longhose and just doesn't fit in the concept.

But again, this is the sidemount subforum and you said:

Helmets are rarely allowed by cave instructors here.

Whatever "here" may be, I've never heard of a cave instructor not allowing the use of a helmet for a SM student (as I posted above).
 
I think that obviously, a helmet in OW doesn't make a lot of sense and it is not necessary , however, divers need to get used to a helmet and the only way to do that is to use it, so if you dive in OW, use it.
Until lat year I had never used a helmet, somebody came up with a nice way to use the helmet (no primary on the helmet and removable BUP's) and I have adopted that.
Have a look at this video I made..
 
I think that obviously, a helmet in OW doesn't make a lot of sense and it is not necessary
Strictly speaking you are right.
But there are a lot of things you do not strictly need you take along when diving.

, however, divers need to get used to a helmet and the only way to do that is to use it, so if you dive in OW, use it.
True, but I also get the impression that this is one of the things you can learn incorrectly in open water and spoil your later cave training that way.

Until lat year I had never used a helmet, somebody came up with a nice way to use the helmet (no primary on the helmet and removable BUP's) and I have adopted that.
I have been using it on and off for 6 years now.
Build my first like many while waiting for the Razor to arrive.
It is now refurbished as my current one again and the 6th or 7th generation in total, I think.
As an open water diver I rarely used a cannister light, so mostly I did not have a mount for a primary on the helmets as well - tried several times and disliked some aspect of it or another.

Used it more and more often, but got rid of it several times because of some issue perceived as important temporarily.

Now however, I seem to be totally stuck with it.
Left it in the car for a single dive since buying the gosidemount light, missed it to much to repeat.

I am not looking forward to the day I break that light and have to find an adequate replacement in a hurry.

...I've never heard of a cave instructor not allowing the use of a helmet for a SM student (as I posted above).
You also do not find many competent instructors allowing sidemount at all, those that do mostly are not very competent in sidemount.
They do not allow the helmets for students because of a good reason however: the blinding issue.
 
You also do not find many competent instructors allowing sidemount at all, those that do mostly are not very competent in sidemount.
They do not allow the helmets for students because of a good reason however: the blinding issue.

Here we go again with you talking about something you have no experience with, cave diving and cave diving instruction.

Once again, I wouldn't know why any instructor would deny a student the right to protect his head in sidemount. After all, unlike in backmount, the head is certainly exposed to the ceiling in sidemount.
 
Once again, I wouldn't know why any instructor would deny a student the right to protect his head in sidemount. After all, unlike in backmount, the head is certainly exposed to the ceiling in sidemount.
It's make believe. They simply don't have a problem with it. Many SM instructors here in Florida not only allow helmets, but use them as well. In any given system, the predominate method of diving is almost always side mount. We even have a cadre of sidemount rebreathers as well.
 
Here we go again with you talking about something you have no experience with, cave diving and cave diving instruction.

Once again, I wouldn't know why any instructor would deny a student the right to protect his head in sidemount. After all, unlike in backmount, the head is certainly exposed to the ceiling in sidemount.
(Edit: oh, sorry, wrong quote, fixed it now)
So now you also know my exact level of experience in asking about cave training???
Is there anything you do not assume to know best?

It's make believe.
Nope, I have some experience in getting information about local cave and cavern training opportunities.

They simply don't have a problem with it.
Who is 'they'?

Many SM instructors here in Florida not only allow helmets, but use them as well. In any given system, the predominate method of diving is almost always side mount.
Not here.
Finding a cave instructor proficient in sidemount is next to impossible.

We even have a cadre of sidemount rebreathers as well.
'We' build several of the sidemount rebreathers here. :wink: The SF2 is based 50km from my own front door.
 
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