Accident at casino point 9/23/12

Discussion in 'Accidents and Incidents' started by MMarkley, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. MMarkley

    MMarkley Garibaldi

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    I was diving at casino point in Catalina this weekend, about to do my last dive Sunday when someone needed help. Coast guard came and rescued an unconscious man in the water. Does anyone know if he is ok and what happened? He has been in my prayers.
     
  2. drbill

    drbill The Lorax for the Kelp Forest

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    I was out on the dive boat filming with the crew from Japan so I didn't hear anything about this. Did see a Coast Guard helicopter come in although it would be rather unusual for the Coast Guard to effect a rescue and transport instead of our local lifeguards/paramedics.
     
  3. H110Hawk

    H110Hawk Garibaldi

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    I was out of line to post this. Some of the information was mis-remembered by me and I apologize for those who I may have hurt.
     
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  4. tracydr

    tracydr Divemaster

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    That's very sad.
    My husband had a student go into cardiac arrest during an OW class at Casino Point years ago. He was a DM candidate at the time. In fact, I think it was his first OW class that he helped with.
    I think the cold water and heavier exposure gear can be a little harder for anybody with cardiac issues, especially students just starting out. Many don't realize how stressful SCUBA can be and may have undiagnosed cardiac issues. The student in my husband's class lied about his high blood pressure and high cholesterol on his medical clearance.
     
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  5. promocop

    promocop Manta Ray

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    Cant wait for Ken Kurtis take on this. He always has the true reports....Ken?
     
  6. debajo agua

    debajo agua Barracuda

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    Is there a site that keeps a running toll of recreational diver deaths and the cause? SB users do a great job in reporting fatalities but I'd like to see a up-to-date running toll for the year. I've thought about making one myself but I'd like to see what's available first.
     
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  7. TSandM

    TSandM Missed and loved by many.

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    This is the second death on the West Coast this year (that I know about) that involved a rapid ascent from an AOW deep dive. I really think we may be teaching this too early!
     
  8. Jim Lapenta

    Jim Lapenta Tech Diver

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    Or not addressing all the things that can go wrong thoroughly enough in addtion to setting the bar higher for admission to the class.
     
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  9. Scott

    Scott PADI Pro

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    It may be too early or it may be too deep too soon. Just because you can take an AOW student to 100 feet doesn't mean you should.
     
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  10. Hawkwood

    Hawkwood MSDT Staff Member

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    Re-read some posts and answered my own question.
     
  11. EastEndDiver

    EastEndDiver Photographer

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    Or the standards for OW are so low that AOW is just an extension to teach basic skills which were not learned in OW,my opinion is that it should NOT be called advanced .
     
  12. davidbaraff

    davidbaraff Nassau Grouper

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    I have been in an AOW class where I can say with utter certainty, some of the people there shouldn't have been there. (Obviously, there's some difference of opinion on this as the instructor let them do it, but I would have said they needed a bunch more dives before doing AOW). Because now these "graduates" think they are AOW capable; whereas I wouldn't trust them enough to go diving with them, period.

    [He said from his lofty perspective of 150 dives, compared with an instructor who I'm sure has like 2000+ dives. But that's what I think.]
     
  13. openmindOW

    openmindOW Scuba Instructor

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    H110Hawk, thank you for your contribution to the Thread.

    I am sorry that you witnessed part of the aftermath. That must have been upsetting for you, especially in light fo the fact that you were doing your OW dives. Please don't let this incident scare you away from divng.


    Does anyone know how old the AOW diver was?

    Where is Casino Point?

    What is the water temperature?

    Does anyone know if there will be an autopsy?
     
  14. MMarkley

    MMarkley Garibaldi

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    I saw the coast guard pull him out. When they took him to the rescue dock I heard on the radio he was in full cardiac arrest. I got in the water shortly after that so I'm not sure if the helicopter came. They were doing CPR last I saw.
     
  15. peterbj7

    peterbj7 Dive Shop Owner

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    I know what you mean and I have sympathy with the view, but I actually don't agree with it. An AOW student will emerge from the class with a card saying he's fit and tested to 100ft. If he can't/shouldn't go that deep yet then he shouldn't be given the card. I know people who conduct the "deep" dive of the AOW course at 65ft, just as I know some who conduct the entire OW course without even going as deep as 30ft. I think this is wrong. I've never permitted it in my shop, but I know that down here both are commonplace.
     
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  16. aichtwooh

    aichtwooh Angel Fish

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    CPR was also the last thing I saw. I hope he pulled through it somehow. :(
    Later my boyfriend and I saw a weight belt around the area where we first heard cries for help. My BF retrieved it. I think he retrieved it at around 80 feet. Would have to check his computer. Gave it to Bob Kennedy who was going to give it to the sheriff. Don't actually know if it was the weight belt of the accident victim though.
     
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  17. tracydr

    tracydr Divemaster

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    I've always wondered this.
    But than, I took AOW on the delayed system, long after I'd already inched my way up to deep dives by myself.
    I waited far too long, for personal reasons, by about 200 dives. Probably not recommended, either.

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    It's Catalina Island, off the coast of LA.
    Not sure of the exact temp this month, probably 60-65 degrees, maybe a little higher.
    It's a shore dive but usually fairly easy by California standards. There are stairs there to enter the water.
     
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  18. MMarkley

    MMarkley Garibaldi

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    Wasn't my OW dives, but thanks. I got certified about 8 yrs ago. It was my first time to casino point though. Water temp 68-70 degrees.
     
  19. CaptainKidd

    CaptainKidd Photographer

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    I'm done discussing this... Sorry.
     
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  20. Jim Lapenta

    Jim Lapenta Tech Diver

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    I suggest you read the rules for posting in this area. What is going on in this thread is what is supposed to happen here. We learn from others mistakes and through discussion endeavor to avoid them. And help others avoid them. This area is not for families and friends generally. There are areas for sympathy and such. This is not one of them.
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