America's lost H-bomb

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Hunh? I don't think it'd take anything special. He's a pretty friendly character. I'll send him an email today and see if I can get him to answer youre alls questions. I just thought that someone else here might know him better than I did.
Sorry. The pic I posted shows that he was banned from participation here - the NA below his name. I guess that wasn't so obvious.

I have no idea why this happened, and he could ask NetDoc to rescind that. It wouldn't hurt to ask, and I have seen it happen before. It's been a long time.
 
Interesting thread this. Also a curious title to talk about H-Bomb in the singular. According to Wikipedia, the US has lost several over the years.

Examples of Broken Arrow events are:

* 1950 British Columbia B-36 crash
* 1956 B-47 disappearance
* 1958 Tybee Island B-47 crash
* 1966 Palomares B-52 crash
* 1968 Thule Air Base B-52 crash

And you guys criticise Saddam for misplacing his nukes? Sheesh.
 
Ooooooh. Sorry! I didn't know what the NA meant. I thought it meant not available, like maybe he's just not active or something. I didn't know that someone could get banned. It must have been something really bad for that to happen. We'll see what he says.

RM, Saddam supposedly doesn't have nukes to misplace. That's why we went over there originally, because we thought he might. We never found any.

Supposedly there is anywhere from 11 to 16 nukes that the US has lost. I don't know what makes THIS nuke "America's lost" one. :D
 
SeaJay and I are good friends, and he and I have had numerous discussions about the Tybee Bomb...

Yes he was banned from here quite a while back, and if he's invited back he'll probably return... I seriously doubt that he would ask though. In the interim, he prefers to be referred to as "The Ghost of SeaJay".

It's quite a shame that he was banned, and while I don't know (or care) about the circumstances, his absence is a loss to the diving community as a whole due to his deep passion and sincere desire to help newer divers and even more seasoned divers to be the best divers that they are capable of becoming. I know firsthand, because this is how we met on a different forum... He's been my mentor, and I've had the opportunity to work and dive with him.

I'll be sure to let him know ya'll are asking about him though. :wink:

-Tim
 
Hahaha - "The Ghost of SeaJay!" Is that like "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince?"

I still haven't heard from him. Maybe I have an old email address. Did you ask him? Whatd he say about the show and the bomb search?
 
Of course I've asked him, and we've discussed it quite a bit, albeit not within the past few months. It's not up to me to discuss HIS activities or what he does or doesn't know however, so I'll politely refrain from doing so. :)

-Tim
 
'Afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. :)

Tim, Mark - Thank you guys for the "heads up."

Wow, has this place grown! :) It's been several years since I was on Scubaboard, and it's great to be back. Apparently NetDoc has done an incredible job of growing the site.

It's flattering to come back and see that y'all have seen the show and are discussing it. Pretty incredible to watch peoples' thought processes - they mirror what we see in "real life" reactions to the show and to discussions concerning the Bomb.

Who's got questions? I'd love to field them - from what I've just read, there's a lot of very interesting points that people bring up, and I'd love to address them.
 
Some years ago, there was a guy living on the coast that claims to know exactly where it is. He proved his point with a geiger counter. Mil brass got wind of his research (no pun intended) and sent a bunch of folks down to investigate. "Nope, nothing to see here, folks" was their answer. All the discussion at the time was about the deteriorated condition of the casing and the fact that IF he had indeed found it, it would be far more dangerous to bring it up than to just leave it in the silt. And as a Georgia resident, I tend to agree. What I disagree with was the summation that he didn't find it. As I recall, (from memory) his evidence was fairly sound and backed up with radiation readings. At the very least, couldn't they have unloaded a few hundred tons of concrete just to be sure?
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You bring up some really great points, BelchFire. The "guy living on the coast" was Retired Colonel Derek Duke (USAF), who was the leader of the team that found the readings - us. At the time, we didn't have a name. The news called us "Duke's Team." Later, we were named ASSURE (American Sea Shore Underwater Recovery Expedition, whose name was coined by Duke himself). As ASSURE, we were filmed by Discovery Science and photographed for many different magazine articles.

In a quest for technology that could sense the Bomb from afar, Duke has become occupied with a new project unaffiliated with the Tybee Bomb. ASSURE has been fully absorbed by my company, and I lead the searches, which happen several times a year using various methods including sidescan sonar, ground-penetrating radar, gamma spectoscopy and several different types of magnetometers.

While we have no absolute assurance that the Bomb was not later (after the initial drop in 1958) recovered, we are reasonably sure... Enough so to continue looking, sometimes at great expense.
 
Anyone else wonder, while watching this, why they sent 3 divers in zero vis to try to find by touch a bomb that they believed was buried in 5-15' of silt? Not sure if it was just bad editing not explaining the scope of the dive operation or something similar, but they didn't even seem to be using basic search and recovery / archaeology techniques or the equipment that's available out there. After watching it I wasn't too suprised they didn't find the damn thing =/

Heh... Very sharp, parkerco. :)

What is portrayed in the show was quite different from reality. That said, the story that was then told was as accurate a portrayal of reality as I've seen, which helped to dispel a lot of myth and legend surrounding the Bomb. To that end, Mark Marabella of Marabella Productions must be congratulated - the story he told was the best account of actual events that I've seen.

...But as far as that day's dives go, what was portrayed was quite different from actual events, in an effort to tell an accurate story overall.

Here's how the shoot happened: I was introduced to Mark at a friend's house, where he identified himself as a producer of documentaries that aired on NatGeo, History, Discovery, and the like. He expressed great interest in the story of the Tybee Bomb, and told me that he'd get back in contact.

Almost a year later, he asked me to put a search together for his film crew. Frankly, with a lot of people claiming a lot of things, I was surprised to hear back from him, and surprised that he wanted to really pull together a shoot. At the time, we had no assurance that what was shot would ever actually end up on television.

I coordinated the dives using two chartered boats (ours were put away for the winter) and contacted the rest of the team - notably, Derek Duke, who invited Joe Eddleman (nuke specialist), Commander Arseneault, and more. I elected Tim Lynch (dive buddy and EOD specialist in the Marine Corps) and RavenC from here (my then-girlfriend and dive buddy) to dive with us. Also present was Nancy Heffernan, our media photographer.

Our chartered boats were not equipped with our normal scanning equipment. Joe Eddleman had brought one of his Geiger counters (altered and housed for this application) and the film crew had brought a rented underwater camera capable of theater-quality shots - complete with a fiber tether that allowed the film crew to see what was being shot underwater while they stayed in the relative warmth of the boat.

Our objective that day was not an actual search - our objective that day was to get footage... To LOOK like we were searching. In an actual search, we would have no time or attention span to work with the camera and crew... Nor would they be interested in hours and hours of "mowing the lawn" - riding around on a rocking boat for hours at 3 mph. :)

There is considerably more structure to our activities during actual searches. :)

The first time I saw the show, I was disppointed to see that the story was quite focused on Derek as the leader of the group. At the time, Derek had been warned by the Federal government to leave the Bomb alone, and really wasn't interested in any more publicity. Instead, he allowed my company and it's boats and resources to take over the searching... Yet, he was focused on as the nexus of the group, for the sake of the story. This differed from reality at the time, and is completely different now.

There was also a point in the show when Commander Arseneault was said to be "heading a dive team today." While he WAS the head of the dive team in 1958, we did not meet Commander Arseneault until that day, on the boat. He was there to provide additional information (which we need so desperately), and because he is STILL interested in finding the Bomb - not because he held a leadership role at the time of filming. Nonetheless, it made a good story to say that he was leading a dive team today. :)

Obviously, during editing Marabella productions decided to add credibility to the story by introducing Derek Duke (USAF Ret) and Commander Art Arseneault (USN Ret) as the leaders of the group. In reality, the only leader of this search was me - but the best way for me to lead the group was to stand by and allow everyone do what they did best... Sniff radiation, provide information, represent the team, and of course... Tell the story.

...So that's what I did. :) And the end result, while perhaps not a fully accurate portrayal of the actual searches (we don't really want everyone knowing our exact methods anyway), is shockingly accurate in the tale of the Tybee Bomb... And like I said before, it helped to dispel a lot of myth, legend and folklore that surrounded the Bomb.
 
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