CO2 buildup? you kidding?

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rawls:
CO2 builds up whether you are holding your breath under or above water. CO2 build up does make the brain trigger the breathing reflex. That's why you cannot kill yourself by holding your breath...
...unless, of course, you are actually UW when the breathing reflex is triggered. A person can hold his/her breath long enough to deplete the usable O2 to mainatin consciousness. The CO2 buildup will indeed trigger the breathing response. If that happens UW, the breath will result in water, not air. That's why shallow water blackout results in drowning. The body does the right thing, but in the wrong place...
 
Greeny:
I would say breathing is just an automatic bodily function, its purpose to inhale oxygen, and exhale CO2.
Breathing is an automatic function, but you can exert concious control over it when it suits you. If you choose to hold your breath for as long as possible, assuming you don't breath in, you will lapse into unconiousness, and your brain will immediatly take over breathing control again to flush out the c02 and bring in more 02, hence why it's a very bad idea to pass out when freediving.

Edit: someone posted exactly the same thing, but nuts to that, i'll leave it up anyway.
 
Warren_L:
CO2 blood levels trigger the breathing reflex - this is why freedivers hyperventilate before diving to drop CO2 levels.

this is so WRONG!!!! freedivers don't hyperventilate if they don't won't to die...

hyperventilation in freedivers case will lower CO2 level and prolong the time before next breath but will also increase (dramatically) the chance of shallow water blackout (while going up from the bottom your ppO2 is already low and as the ambient pressure drops so does the pp02 (very rapid drop) and somewhere close to the surface your brain says bye bye)
 
CO2 and blood acidity levels are the brain's primary trigger to breathe. A low O2 level in the bloodstream is a second and less strong trigger. Some smokers who have developed COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) have lost their CO2 trigger and rely on the O2 trigger to breath. If you were to put a COPD patient on O2, it is possible for them to stop breathing all together due to the high levels of O2 in their system.

One other bit of trivia. Freedivers have to be careful of overstaying their bottom time at deep depths. As a freediver decends the ppo2 of their lung volume increases just as a diver on scuba. It has been shown that gasses will difuse and mix from a higher concetration to that of a lower. As the freediver decends the higher concentration of O2 in his/her lungs difuses to their blood as one would expect. However, as time passes and the O2 is metabolized by the tissues, CO2 levels begin to increase. Freedivers train to ignore this CO2 buildup and resist the urge to breathe more easily than most. Thus, the lack of O2 in their system becomes the driving force to trigger them to breath. While the freediver is at the bottom the increased ppo2 of his/her lung and blood gas fools their brain into thinking there is more O2 than there actually is. The freediver at the bottom may not feel like they need to breath to badly. As he/she ascends and the ppo2 decreases, the amount of O2 may become less in the lungs than it is in the bloodsteam because the molecules are becoming farther apart with expansion. Reverse difusion could begin and O2 could pulled from the blood stream to equalize the lower O2 content in the lungs. The last 20 feet or so is the danger area where most blackouts of freedivers occurs. Sometimes, with well trained freedivers, blackouts occur from hypoxia rather than hypercapnia (CO2 buildup).

just if you were wondering....
 
CO2 build up or through causing raised acidity of the blood triggers the breathing reflex. This is why hyperventilating can be dangerous. If done too thoroughly the CO2 threshold to trigger breathing is postponed too long and causes black-out and drowning through lack of oxygen.
 
my1ocean:
CO2 and blood acidity levels are the brain's primary trigger to breathe. A low O2 level in the bloodstream is a second and less strong trigger. Some smokers who have developed COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) have lost their CO2 trigger and rely on the O2 trigger to breath. If you were to put a COPD patient on O2, it is possible for them to stop breathing all together due to the high levels of O2 in their system.

One other bit of trivia. Freedivers have to be careful of overstaying their bottom time at deep depths. As a freediver decends the ppo2 of their lung volume increases just as a diver on scuba. It has been shown that gasses will difuse and mix from a higher concetration to that of a lower. As the freediver decends the higher concentration of O2 in his/her lungs difuses to their blood as one would expect. However, as time passes and the O2 is metabolized by the tissues, CO2 levels begin to increase. Freedivers train to ignore this CO2 buildup and resist the urge to breathe more easily than most. Thus, the lack of O2 in their system becomes the driving force to trigger them to breath. While the freediver is at the bottom the increased ppo2 of his/her lung and blood gas fools their brain into thinking there is more O2 than there actually is. The freediver at the bottom may not feel like they need to breath to badly. As he/she ascends and the ppo2 decreases, the amount of O2 may become less in the lungs than it is in the bloodsteam because the molecules are becoming farther apart with expansion. Reverse difusion could begin and O2 could pulled from the blood stream to equalize the lower O2 content in the lungs. The last 20 feet or so is the danger area where most blackouts of freedivers occurs. Sometimes, with well trained freedivers, blackouts occur from hypoxia rather than hypercapnia (CO2 buildup).

just if you were wondering....
Thanks, you just saved me a whole lot of typing. If people don't know the facts I wish they wouldn't post speculation as a fact, it just leads to more confusion.
Here in Hawaii I see ( this is a guestamate) 10 free divers die for every SCUBA death, may be way more than that. Anything more than three deep breaths before a free dive is too much. Ask the dead folks if you don't believe me.
 
Dont get the free diving thing... Kind of like the Mcdonalds approach to diving, go go go go go. I'd rather take my time and enjoy that atmosphere than run through the drive through any day!
 
Not only will CO2 buildup when you hold your breath it will build up if you have excessive dead space in your gear. It will also build up as you work harder and work harder to breathe especially at depth where the gas is thicker.

Hypercapnia (excessive CO@ buildup) does LOTS of nasty things to you and is to be avoided.

Most people who get a significant hypercapnia event don't want to ever do it again and wish they hadn't done it the first time.
 
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