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Hmm... on second thought...

... if you dive naked on a sunny day, then that storage pak might save a blister or two!

Just kidding!
 
I thought about diving naked but then remembered the shrinkage factor :lol:
 
Deus:
Doesn't that metal backplate on the Halycon feel uncomforatble?

Well, BP/W (meaning backplate and wing) tend to be metal plates. They do look uncomfortable, but if you do some reading here, you'll find few complaints about how they feel, especially underwater.

I honestly think you would do yourself a favor to do a bit more homework. Putting a padded cover on a backplate, in the eyes of many people, eliminates one of the beautiful things about BP/W systems: that they are trim, minimalist pieces of gear without a lot of extra padding, pockets, etc. Your suprise at the look of a BP/W tells me you haven't read much about them, and scubaboard has a LOT to read about BP/W systems.

Do some searches here for some of the threads comparing back-inflate BCDs to BP/w units and you'll start to get a feel for it. A BP/W is generally always a metal plate with a bladder attached and a very simple harness. That's it. A back-inflate BC is like the ones you probably got certified in, except all the inflation is on the back, like a BP/W. Still, you can get back-inflate BCDs that have pockets, integrated weight, and all the frills. The other option is a "traditional" vest BCD with inflation around the front of the BC too. The majority of divers who try it seem to be moving toward back-inflation because of its better trim and less cluttered feel.

The back-inflate BCD is far more popular with recreational divers than is the BP/W. For divers who will be diving doubles and technical diving, a BP/W is more often a good choice.

Do some reading and you'll be able to more clearly determine which suits you.

Cheers! :D

Gregg

PS - if your next question goes something like "Won't a back-inflate tend to push me forward at the surface?" then you REALLY need to do a bit more research before trying to decide on a rig for you. Good luck! :)
 
LOL No I know that the push is minimal and that lying back should remedy this. I just got confused because if you go to http://www.zeagle.com and click on Backplate BCs on the left it will take you to the Stiletto. ??? I understand the difference now and realize I DO need to do more reading. It will be a long night :wink:
 
Deus:
LOL No I know that the push is minimal and that lying back should remedy this. I just got confused because if you go to http://www.zeagle.com and click on Backplate BCs on the left it will take you to the Stiletto. ??? I understand the difference now and realize I DO need to do more reading. It will be a long night :wink:
No...If you click on the Recreational BC link it will take you to the Stilletto

http://www.zeagle.com/index.php?src=gendocs&link=Stiletto&submenu=RecreationalBC
 
Deus:
I just got confused because if you go to http://www.zeagle.com and click on Backplate BCs on the left it will take you to the Stiletto. ???

Actually it stays on our homepage, which happens to have a Stiletto at the bottom of the page. If you select from the drop down menu it will take you to the standard or deluxe BP harnesses.

Sorry our site is a little confusing to navigate sometimes.

My $.02... I far prefer a Stiletto to a BP&W.

Chad
 
Here's another vote for the Stiletto!!!

Why? The Stiletto won't pack quite as compactly as a bp/w but it packs a lot more in terms of features. If you get a bp/w and add the features then you've lost or all the compact packability of a bp/w.

Mainly, I'm talking about a nice integrated weight system, dumpable rear trim pouches and pockets.
 
Don Janni:
Here's another vote for the Stiletto!!!

Why? The Stiletto won't pack quite as compactly as a bp/w but it packs a lot more in terms of features. If you get a bp/w and add the features then you've lost or all the compact packability of a bp/w.

Mainly, I'm talking about a nice integrated weight system, dumpable rear trim pouches and pockets.

The rear trim pockets are dumpable on a Zeagle? I don't have one, but my wife has a Zena and it has tank weight pockets and two dumpable pockets on the waist (not what I think of as "rear" pouches, but maybe that's where I'm confused). The tank pockets aren't dumpable.

Frankly, I think dumpability of weights is a way overemphasized feature in the purchase process. If you suddenly drop all weight at depth, it's as likely to do you harm as not. The only place I can really see wanting to dump weights is the surface in the event of BC failure, and I don't need any fancy pockets to do that. Drop weight belt or open pockets and drop weights. The more I think about it, redundant buoyancy seems a better solution for a potential failed bladder at the surface...say a drysuit or large sausage/lift bag.

And as far as integrated weight...you can't beat a 5 pound stainless plate with 8 pounds of stainless bolted to it. Now THAT's integrated :wink:

Gregg
 
https://www.shearwater.com/products/swift/

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