why bsac v padi?

Discussion in 'Basic Scuba Discussions' started by DORSETBOY, Jan 16, 2004.

  1. DORSETBOY

    DORSETBOY Scuba Instructor

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    I learnt to dive through padi, taught through padi and then when I moved back to the uk (having dived frequently in the uk before) got a frosty attitude cos I was a padi diver and not bsac when I wanted to join the local club.

    Surely this is going to discourage people from diving in the uk if SOME bsac members are so up themselves.
     
  2. annie

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    Hi

    I'm sure it will discourage people - I think it's a daft attitude and only reflects badly on those who have it. I must say I haven't gotten any of that trying to join CFT clubs here in Ireland, maybe partly because I'm a DM and they see me as being a bit more advanced, but overall clubs here have had a great attitude. One club even told me that they particularly welcomed PADI divers as opposed to divers from other CFT clubs; apparently club members also learn bad habits from each other and some fresh blood from a different system is a good thing.

    Annie
     
  3. RobK

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    Well the answer to that is find a different club.

    BSAC clubs are like clubs anywhere; there are some that are great and full of welcoming friendly divers and there are some that are full of idiots and dinosaurs. Don't be too put off as I'm sure you'll be able to find a club that fits your needs.

    Best thing to do is ask on the BSAC forum www.bsacforum.co.uk and you should get some pointers to more clubs in your area.

    You could also investigate some of the other agencies such as the SAA www.saa.org.uk

    Yeah but let's be honest. Being up themselves is not limited to BSAC club members. :irazz:

    HTH
    Rob.
     
  4. DORSETBOY

    DORSETBOY Scuba Instructor

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    fair one, I realise I am generalising tremendously on the basis of my experience of a cople of clubs... just dont like the whole dive politics crap.
     
  5. RobK

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    Me neither, that's why I'm in a club that doesn't have any politics :laugh:

    They do exist, honest!

    Cheers,
    Rob.
     
  6. roturner

    roturner ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    It's also good to keep in mind that the arrogance isn't limited to BSAC. Some of what you are seeing may in fact be a reaction to previous (bad) experiences with PADI divers in that area.

    R..
     
  7. DORSETBOY

    DORSETBOY Scuba Instructor

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    That's also true, I would expect though to get the benefit of the doubt particularly given that I am an instructor. In the same way, when I've ed fun dives and had non-padi divers out with me I've given them the benefit of the doubt as I would any diver.
     
  8. roturner

    roturner ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Indeed. I don't have much experience diving with BSAC divers but the experiences I have had were very positive. It could be that you just happened across a poor club.

    R..
     
  9. chrisch

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    Why do you want to join a club?? All clubs have the odd few tossers in them and if they don't yet there are some waiting to join....

    I am PADI and joined a BSAC club for a while - on the whole they were great and I did plenty of diving with them. I don't like BSAC's rules much and think it needs to modernise, but I would join again if we weren't leaving to go to Italy... The thing to do is rise above the odd few members that are idiots - usually they are easy to humiliate as they tend to know FA about what they are talking about.
    The thing I found was the cost and that is why I let the membership lapse. Our club was affiliated to the local yacht club and with two sets of fees to pay it didn't make sense money wise. Shame - there were some benefits.

    Chris
     
  10. DORSETBOY

    DORSETBOY Scuba Instructor

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    Cos, Im from swansea and didnt know any other divers up this way in scotland when I came back from abroad. Have had a look at the ukdiving website and met up with a few divers that way, I just feel it's a shame that some of the clubs I looked at locally to me weren't that welcoming and it was made clear to me that it was because of my training agency.
     
  11. GDI

    GDI Artificer of Havoc & Kaos ScubaBoard Supporter

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    When I looked at clubs from Canada, the UK and even here in the USA I found that some were very receiving regardless of agency affiliation and others were very shall I say selective. The most common thing I saw in regards to an agency thing was the esprit de corp most of it was of a light nature of jestering. There were those who appeared blinded to only one agency having supremacy, for the most part they were ignored. The second most common thing was the need from some club divers who felt the new diver had to prove themselves. I suppose this is a trait of human nature. Truthfully, usually the better divers never fell prey to this and those who sought this higher than thou need of one upmanship made dives only within their ilk
     
  12. dbulmer

    dbulmer DIR Practitioner

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    GDI,
    I think your observation is spot on. I'm PADI trained in warm water and I am making the transition from warm to cold. Sometimes there are people who try to dive beyond their experience (as you have no doubt witnessed yourself at some point ) and to be honest I can often understand the BSAC attitude at times - some warm water divers expect to be able to dive in the UK without the training that BSAC/SAA require - that said it would be a small minority in either case.

    DorsetDiver,

    In the SAA club I am in, there are some DIR divers and you thought BSAC were bad!!! :)
    In all seriousness at club level, divers of all agencies are looking at decent skills and experience to handle cold water - it's not so much a PADI thing but a skills awareness/practice issue. In your case as a DM with UK experience I'd find it annoying - in my case as a tropically trained inexperienced OW bloke I find it refreshing.

    It was a BSAC chap who got me interested in UK diving so as others say - it ain't the agency !
     
  13. DORSETBOY

    DORSETBOY Scuba Instructor

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    Fair one! With the benefit of hindsight I can see that you never REALLY know what a diver is like regardless of whatever the qualification until you see them in the water.
    Nice to be back though diving in the UK, just wish my pesky job didnt stop me diving during the week!
     
  14. AzAtty

    AzAtty Scuba Instructor

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    BSAC's President is HRH Prince Charles, while PADI is an organization founded by some uppity colonists across HRH's pond. Being a Scot, and nominally one of HRH's subject, it's high treason for you to be certified by the aforementioned uppity colonists. Normally, it would be the Tower for you, but since that's now a tourist destination, BSAC clubs can only give you the cold shoulder. :34:

    And that's the truth. Back to work on my conspiracy theory...
     
  15. mogwai

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    Alright Dorset Boy, cant remember if i gave you this website before but will stick it in here for you. No politics and plenty of diving. Give my instructor a wee buzz through the website and let him know you are about, no politics guaranteed, we just spend a lot of time in the water, get in touch.


    http://www.central-scuba.co.uk
     
  16. torbaydiver

    torbaydiver Nassau Grouper

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    I'm Padi trained and joined a large bsac club and they really are not bothered whether I even crossover or not!
    I would just join the club if I was you and make the most of the boat diving and ignore their frosty attitude it will soon disappear as they get to know you.
    I must admit my club is a bit stand-off ish, but I just ignore that and make the most of the diving!
     
  17. Oldenboldiver

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    Hi Dorsetboy,

    I'm really sorry to hear of your poor experience with local BSAC clubs. This really shouldn't happen, BSAC have spent a lot of time trying to re-educate branches into emphasising that 'diver' is the key description, not the acronym at the front!

    Anyway, I don't know where you are in Scotland but you could contact either Doug Smith (BSAC North Scotland Coach) or Sandra Castro (BSAC South Scotland Coach) via the BSAC website (or pm me for contact details) I'm sure they'd be delighted to hear of your experience and perhaps arrange to visit the club in question to investigate their negative attitude. It might not benefit you but could help others in a similar position in future.

    Cheers

    Oldie
     
  18. brizzolatti

    brizzolatti Nassau Grouper

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    Hi, Dorsetboy. I had similar experience to you. I contacted one club, went to see them one pool night, wanting to get involved and do more training. They were going to get back to me with dates to start. It was set up, then it was postponed. They would get back to me .... I am still waiting and have since done my pADI Rescue Diver and got involved with a PADI set up. You can PM me if you'd like details. In looking for a BSAC club, I also emailed another couple giving some background and got no response at all. All I am looking for is the opportunity to keep skills up to date, further my dive education and dive, dive, dive. My limited experience is that BSAC aren't flexible and responsive though I'm sure there are good clubs out there if you keep looking.

    PS - COnger Alley is quite a nice dive in good conditions - not all mud!
     
  19. String

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    More than simple 1 agency vs another from my experience the main gripe is the "2 day wonder" once a year holiday diver.

    A PADI diver who learnt and/or dives in the UK seems to be treated fairly well.

    A 2 day holiday diver making 3 or 4 a year maximum in foreign clear locations tends to be the one that isnt.

    There are obvious reasons for this suspicion and certainly abroad on trips you can tell the once-a-year wonders (occasionally liabilities) vs the more switched on divers easily. Again, this isnt an agency thing, its a diver thing.

    Ive heard some other PADI arguments which i half agree with (Their "Advanced" open water needs a name change IMHO) but generally its the diver not the agency that causes the problem.

    Do a search on BSAC or Divernet sites for BSAC v PADI and you'll find threads running to 100s of replies and flame wars, the vast majority of which is just handbags with no useful content.
     
  20. DORSETBOY

    DORSETBOY Scuba Instructor

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    NICE ONE MOGWAI... will drop him a message from my work email... cheers everyone!
     

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