ScubaInChicago
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I have never been on a diving boat with divers from different organisation without there being some tension between groups.
I hope you're kidding. Doing 'bigger' cave dives with unknowns is just irresponsible. There is no reason why you wouldn't do smaller dive fist to get to know someone first.
Sometimes I get the feeling people don't take cave and deco diving seriously enough.
Doing unknown circuits, starting deco training at 30 dives, doing muti-hour cave dives with people you don't know... stuff like this seem to be OK for some people on this forum... I think it's just stupid and unnecessary. Whatever happened to building experience over years and conservative planning? I guess these day everybody what's to be a tec-deep-rebreather-cave-dpv diver within 2 years and do 3 hour dives with people they just meet on some parking lot on while on vacation in Mexico.
...3-hour cave dives in Mexico often won't even put you in deco ... it's not a big deal, in some cases. The most significant consideration is making sure everyone's on the same page with placement of markers, so you can find your way out ...
A three hours cave dive is not a big deal, huh? And you don't even know your buddy? Sorry, this is such an ignorant statement and an attitude like this will kill people and it has killed people in the past. Do you even realize that, Bob? Who cares whether you’re in deco or not? On most 3 hour cave dives there are tons of navigational divisions to be made.
It drives me nuts that there are people on this board that are constantly downplaying the risks of cave and deco diving. And than Pete, tell me that I'm fear mongering.
Only because you did that a couple of times and survived does not means it's not a stupid thing to do, Bob.
This is exactly the same as the 'well-known' but unknown circuit and 'start deco training with 30 dives' BS.
It's dangerous and unnecessary but it's OK to promote ideas like this as long as you're a Mod or hardcore-poster on SB.
Can some cave instructor straighten these 'experts' out, please? Seriously, please?
Maybe you wanna read the thread before commenting next time? The point of this discussion was whether it is stupid or not to do a 2.5km/7.5'k cave with somebody you just met.Yes, for sure we did some "warm-up" dives before we got to the bigger ones. But doesn't that go without saying?
I will. Can you spare me BS like 'a 3 hour cave dive is not a big deal in Mexico'? Maybe you wanna read some accident reports... most of those accidents happened on dives that weren't big deals. Ever thought about that?Spare me your indignation ...
Actually, the point of this discussion was about sidemount, and specifically why GUE doesn't embrace it. The whole "length of my cave dive" thing was between you and a couple other chronic chest-thumpers.Maybe you wanna read the thread before commenting next time? The point of this discussion was whether it is stupid or not to do a 2.5km/7.5'k cave with somebody you just met.
There are cave systems in MX where you can do a 3-hour dive and rarely, if ever, get below 30 feet. There's little to no flow. Vis is basically clear. So other than the potential for navigational errors ... which I have said all along were the most serious concern ... what are the critical issues that you'd consider makes the dive a "big deal"?I will. Can you spare me BS like 'a 3 hour cave dive is not a big deal in Mexico'? Maybe you wanna read some accident reports... most of those accidents happened on dives that weren't big deals. Ever thought about that?
I don't think of dives in those terms ... I leave that criteria to you "manly men". I dive mostly to relax and enjoy myself. Yes, a 5-hour cave dive would be a big deal to me. But I'm not really interested in doing that dive ... too much like work. A 300' dive would be a big deal ... but I've not been deeper than a bit over 250 ... and that wasn't a big deal to my concern, it was a well-known dive profile on a well-known wreck in Lake Superior, and just a matter of preparation and execution. It was an enjoyable dive ... but I wouldn't call it a big deal.Just out of curiosity, what would be a 'big deal' to a guy like you, sir? 5 hour cave dive? 10 hours? Does it have to be deeper than 300' to be a big deal for you?
I didn't bring that up, Sherlock. Beester did. Please read the thread before commenting on what I said.Why is a "big deal" dive so important to you? Is that how you measure your worth as a diver?
Again, Beester brought this up, not me.The whole "length of my cave dive" thing was between you and a couple other chronic chest-thumpers.
... if you are part of the GUE club, I will know without having dived with you that you adhere to certain standards and procedures and have followed some difficult courses. I litterally can step in the water with you and without any further discussion of work up dives can do a 2.5km cave dive with you, which will go very smoothly because you will behave in a very predictable manner.
What about being in a cave filled with water hours away from the surface, doing something that could kill you?... what are the critical issues that you'd consider makes the dive a "big deal"?