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Thread: I'm a karate practitioner and I Picked A Fight with a MMA fighter on June 17th.

 

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    I'm a karate practitioner and I Picked A Fight with a MMA fighter on June 17th.

    I'm a karate practitioner and I Picked A Fight with a MMA fighter on June 17th. .

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    still don't get it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josepsh View Post
    I'm a karate practitioner and I Picked A Fight with a MMA fighter on June 17th. .


    your screwed.............

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    I hope, your MMA opponent is Fedor Emelianenko? Good for you, he's a devoted ortodox Christian.

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    How is your ground game?
    [countdown=01/15/2011 05:30 am]Count down: [/countdown]

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAPTAIN SINBAD View Post
    How is your ground game?

    Most of the guys that I have trained with that consider themselves a "karate practitioner"....dont have much of a ground game.....

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    Karte practicioners usually have strong and fast legs which gives them an advantage in "run away" game.

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    Wouldn't it have been great to have a Bruce Lee clone today, to throw into the MMA mix.... Lee was both a great striker and an excellent grapler, though he did not roll around for 5 minutes working on a submission....his thing was an INSTANT break, not an "eventual" submission. Steven Segal actually practiced this as well in real life, as did Terry Giles ( 750 straight knockouts in Kumite, 14 world championships. (80's and 90's)...Terry was also a stiker and a grappler that would break someone rather than work for a submission...and Giles competed at about 250 pounds of ripped muscle with more speed than the middle-weights. Problem today is just no good existing gene pool today for the Strikers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danvolker View Post
    . Problem today is just no good existing gene pool today for the Strikers.

    I disagree.......

    The problem is.....that....in order to be successful today in MMA as a striker - you have to be VERY good at avoiding a takedown. Not many are. There are plenty of really good strikers with KO power, but, in a long fight - its almost always going to end up on the ground.


    Although Lee was better than most people know in submissions.....he trained them in a day where almost no one knew what to look for or how to avoid them.

    Kind of like Royce Gracie in the early days. BJJ and submissions are very, very easy to execute against other fighting styles......but today almost everyone who trains in some sort of MMA learns BJJ. Executing correct submissions is much, much harder than it was. Every manipulation, jointplacement, leverage opportunity, and interupted blood vessel has to be perfect, since there is a counter for everything.

    If I catch someone in an arm bar or Kimora and they are not trained....its "game over". If they have trained for a while - its the first move that is only used to set up a submission 6, or 7 counters later.


    Bruce lee, Royce Gracie, and all the earlier guys didnt have to compete in that world.

    Evey watching the earliest UFC again years later, its amazing how fast and how far the sport has evolved - some of those guys wouldnt survive today - and they were the best of the best back then. In fact, the sport evolved right past almost every one of them that tried to stay in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manni-yunk View Post
    I disagree.......

    The problem is.....that....in order to be successful today in MMA as a striker - you have to be VERY good at avoiding a takedown. Not many are. There are plenty of really good strikers with KO power, but, in a long fight - its almost always going to end up on the ground.


    Although Lee was better than most people know in submissions.....he trained them in a day where almost no one knew what to look for or how to avoid them.

    Kind of like Royce Gracie in the early days. BJJ and submissions are very, very easy to execute against other fighting styles......but today almost everyone who trains in some sort of MMA learns BJJ. Executing correct submissions is much, much harder than it was. Every manipulation, jointplacement, leverage opportunity, and interupted blood vessel has to be perfect, since there is a counter for everything.

    If I catch someone in an arm bar or Kimora and they are not trained....its "game over". If they have trained for a while - its the first move that is only used to set up a submission 6, or 7 counters later.


    Bruce lee, Royce Gracie, and all the earlier guys didnt have to compete in that world.

    Evey watching the earliest UFC again years later, its amazing how fast and how far the sport has evolved - some of those guys wouldnt survive today - and they were the best of the best back then. In fact, the sport evolved right past almost every one of them that tried to stay in the game.
    Did you ever hear of Terry Giles...they called him Scary Terry in the 80's and 90's.....his grapple skills were equal to his striking, but in 95% of his fights, he knocked the opponent out in the first 20 to 30 seconds.
    When Gracie began the first UFC, Giles tried to get in, but was refused on the grounds that he was a pro....Gracie knew Giles would eat up all the competitors and Gracie as well.

    Regarding the old time champions that knew or trained with Giles, I was out with my wife and Terry was with his wife, at a restaurant once in Lake Worth, a Sushie place.... Bill Wallace came in ( Superfoot Bill Wallace), did a double then triple take, then came over to our table and sat down with us so he could chat with Terry for a while....
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