Since I completely railroaded the V-planner thread I figured I would spin this off and see if we could have a discussion about the differences between the two. I want to see how many think its minor and can be addressed in an above water discussion or if the differences are so great that when the stuff hits the fan it becomes disastrous.
My personally background in this is my TDI instructor was Tech 1 certified by Joe Talavera so I learned a "team diving" approach similar to what AG would teach. Now I have recently passed GUE Tech 1 so Ive gotten a direct GUE perspective. The only things I saw different were:
30/30 instead of 25/25.
change from s-curve to linear on RD
change in ascent plans at GUE Tech 1 levels (this was apparently new within GUE)
difference lost deco plan
Drills - I dont know what differences (if any) in drills UTD would have but I cant see them being relevant from a deco dive standpoint. At least want cant be covered during pre-dive.
OOA- The only true emergency response needed is for an OOA. I don't see major differences there.
Valve failures - Once a diver sorts out whats going on and asks his buddy to take a look its pretty basic at that point and I dont see how one agency can look at valve failure troubleshooting differently enough to make a difference underwater.
Lost deco - Probably the only difference that might lead to issues underwater. The reality is though that lost deco procedures have changed so much over the years that this is an issue within agencies.
Deco planning - Linear, S curve... who cares? Both work, both come from the same philosophy. This has always boiled down in my mind to preference. Do I want to be lazy and make the profile easy to remember or do I want to shape to optimal gradient? No biggie here.
So theoretically if a GUE Tech 1 diver and a UTD Tech 1/2 diver wanted to dive to 150' I don't see major issues that would suddenly destroy team dynamics.
From what I see the big differences are training philosopies. UTD splitting Tech 1 into Tech 1/ Tech 2 and Tech 2 becoming Trimix 1 and Trimix 2. I really wish GUE was setup this way. Much better progression in my mind.
So... UTD divers, what am I over looking here from a UTD standpoint? Anything obvious that would make team integration difficult?
My personally background in this is my TDI instructor was Tech 1 certified by Joe Talavera so I learned a "team diving" approach similar to what AG would teach. Now I have recently passed GUE Tech 1 so Ive gotten a direct GUE perspective. The only things I saw different were:
30/30 instead of 25/25.
change from s-curve to linear on RD
change in ascent plans at GUE Tech 1 levels (this was apparently new within GUE)
difference lost deco plan
Drills - I dont know what differences (if any) in drills UTD would have but I cant see them being relevant from a deco dive standpoint. At least want cant be covered during pre-dive.
OOA- The only true emergency response needed is for an OOA. I don't see major differences there.
Valve failures - Once a diver sorts out whats going on and asks his buddy to take a look its pretty basic at that point and I dont see how one agency can look at valve failure troubleshooting differently enough to make a difference underwater.
Lost deco - Probably the only difference that might lead to issues underwater. The reality is though that lost deco procedures have changed so much over the years that this is an issue within agencies.
Deco planning - Linear, S curve... who cares? Both work, both come from the same philosophy. This has always boiled down in my mind to preference. Do I want to be lazy and make the profile easy to remember or do I want to shape to optimal gradient? No biggie here.
So theoretically if a GUE Tech 1 diver and a UTD Tech 1/2 diver wanted to dive to 150' I don't see major issues that would suddenly destroy team dynamics.
From what I see the big differences are training philosopies. UTD splitting Tech 1 into Tech 1/ Tech 2 and Tech 2 becoming Trimix 1 and Trimix 2. I really wish GUE was setup this way. Much better progression in my mind.
So... UTD divers, what am I over looking here from a UTD standpoint? Anything obvious that would make team integration difficult?