No one told me about the resort fee

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Now this would really get me hot. Anyone ever ran into this? A $25/day surprise fee?! :shocked2:
"Hotwire rates do not include special fees charged by hotels upon checkout (e.g., energy charges, convention fees, resort fees, parking fees)," it notes. "Customers will be required to pay these fees directly to the hotels at checkout time."

(Incidentally, Hotwire isn't alone. Its competitor, Priceline, has a similar policy.)​
Two more sites to avoid...!!
(Tribune Media Services) -- What's this on Sonja Johnson's hotel bill? A mandatory $25 per day "resort" fee for the use of the spa. But didn't the rate she booked through Hotwire include everything? No, it didn't. But that doesn't mean she's out of luck.

Q: I've been booking hotel rooms through Hotwire recently, and I've been quite pleased with the site -- until now. The last hotel charged a $25 per night resort fee, which included the "use of the spa."

This was mandatory, even though we didn't plan to use the spa, and had not been disclosed in the Hotwire booking process. I tried calling Hotwire about this and they simply kept saying, "It's in our terms and conditions that hotels may charge separate fees for parking and resort fees."

I understand that parking often constitutes an extra charge, but failing to disclose substantial, mandatory resort fees seems inappropriate. In theory, they could have tacked on $100 a night or more to our nonrefundable reservation, and we would have had no recourse. What do you think? --

Sonja Johnson, San Francisco, California

A: The hotel shouldn't charge you a mandatory "resort" fee. It shouldn't charge anyone a resort fee, for that matter.

Resort fees are wrong on so many levels; it's hard to know where to begin. A room rate should include all mandatory charges except maybe taxes (and I would argue that it ought to include taxes as well, but I digress). Resort fees -- which are charged by some independent hotels for the use of anything from an exercise facility to beach towels -- add anywhere from $10 to $30 to the per-night cost of your room.

If a hotel charged extra for towels or the gym that would be fine. But some resorts force every guest to pay these fees, effectively raising the cost of each room -- and raising the hotel's revenues, too. This is fundamentally dishonest, even when it's disclosed in the fine print of your reservation by the hotel or by your travel agent. It must either be part of the room rate or be an optional fee. There are no two ways about this.

I believe either these hotels, or the online travel agents who sell their products and enable their immoral behavior, will find themselves on the losing end of a court case if they don't stop.

Hotwire's actions add yet another wrinkle to this scam. A site like Hotwire, with its immense buying power, has the leverage to force hotels to include all mandatory fees in its room rate. Yet if you read its terms of use, it's clear that it won't. "Hotwire rates do not include special fees charged by hotels upon checkout (e.g., energy charges, convention fees, resort fees, parking fees)," it notes. "Customers will be required to pay these fees directly to the hotels at checkout time."

(Incidentally, Hotwire isn't alone. Its competitor, Priceline, has a similar policy.)

It gets worse. Because Hotwire is what's known as an "opaque" site -- meaning that you don't learn the name of your hotel until you've paid for it -- you're out of luck if you end up with a resort-fee property. So you're right: Hotwire could have quoted a $69 a night fee, but the hotel might have theoretically charged a $100-a-night resort fee, and you would have had to pay for it.

If Hotwire didn't offer to change your reservation, you might have disputed the charge on your credit card. I know of at least one traveler who persuaded his credit card company to reverse a resort-fee charge that hadn't been adequately disclosed.

I contacted Hotwire on your behalf, and it removed the resort fee from your bill.

(Christopher Elliott is the ombudsman for National Geographic Traveler magazine. You can read more travel tips on his blog, elliott.org or e-mail him at celliott@ngs.org).
 
Living in Japan, I'm afraid that the answer is yes.
"How much is it?"
"15,000 yen."
"Ok, I'll take it."
"That'll be 24,000 yen."
"Huh?!"
"15,000 plus this plus that plus plus plus."
Blows to have it happen on vacation, though.
 
Are the hotel management folks now getting their customer service ideas from the airline executives?

Worked wonders for the THAT industry. Didn't it?
 
I shop Sidestep.com for fares & rates that include taxes and fees generally, but I caught one trying to sneak in an extra fee at booking once. An extra fee to be announced later would be too much...!! :mad:
 
I buy directly from the resort op or only from an operation's designated, bricks & mortar agent.

I may pay a few bucks more, but I ask my questions and pay my fees up-front. Voucher in hand- off I go. The agent understands well that I will not argue very much with the provider on scene. I will merely bring back a bill for any overages and he will reimburse me.

My vacation time is worth that small premium. I have yet to be surprised.
 
Don, you - and the news story cited - are sort of missing the point in blaming the websites. Yes, the fees are a pain in the neck. However...they are added to your bill AT CHECKOUT. Just like room service charges or anything else that is incurred DURING your stay.

The websites you mention cannot include these fees upfront because, in reality they actually don't exist as part of the "room rate" in your reservation. Sounds semantic, I know, but it's simply not there. Just like if the website said "Hotwire does not include anything you eat from the minibar, rounds of golf, pay-per-view porn, or any other charges you may incur during your stay.

This is of course the hotel's doing, and whether you like it or not that's where the ire should be focused, not on the website you booked with.

That said, folks who use sites like hotwire and such to book hotels, flights etc and think they are getting "the best deal" are fooling themselves. They are a good way to comparison shop, but they don't save money per se. The article you cite mentions that hotwire "with its immense buying power, has the leverage to force hotels to include all mandatory fees in its room rate" but that's naive at best, if not downright stupid.

  • They are not large, they are a tiny piece of the travel market, both in terms of numbers of travelers, numbers of trips, total dollars, and profit
  • There's no negotiation going on, these sites simply access the lowest published rate, which you can invariably get on your own

Even if there were negotiations possible, no one would negotiate with these sites for several reasons...

  • The sites have no ZERO BUYING POWER because they do not BUY anything; would be different if they bought the rooms and then re-sold them.
  • They only access "onesies and twosies" in terms of travelers per booking; they don't bring groups of 200 at a time or something worth negotiating about
  • The sites don't even effectively help you drive your business if you are a hotel, because they are going to show your competitor right next to you. If you want to negotiate...the first thing you need to do is give the hotel an edge or exclusivity or something. Why would I negotiate otherwise?
  • The rooms they get reservations for are essentially "excess capacity" and already marked down if you will. (Low margin)
  • The travelers that come in through these sites are by definition low volume, low margin, non-loyal, price-sensitive customers. From a marketing standpoint these are the people that you really DON'T WANT as customers. Sure you'll take them if they walk through the door...but spending money/time/effort to attract them is a fool's errand.
 
Don, you - and the news story cited - are sort of missing the point in blaming the websites. Yes, the fees are a pain in the neck. However...they are added to your bill AT CHECKOUT. Just like room service charges or anything else that is incurred DURING your stay.

I wouldn't expect to be charged a "spa fee" if I didn't use the spa, any more than I'd expect to pay for the contents of the mini-bar if I didn't eat the $7 Pringles or the $5 Coke.

The other option is to say to the desk clerk clerk "I didn't use the spa, didn't sign up for the spa, and I'm not paying the spa fee."

Terry
 
I buy directly from the resort op or only from an operation's designated, bricks & mortar agent.

I may pay a few bucks more, but I ask my questions and pay my fees up-front. Voucher in hand- off I go. The agent understands well that I will not argue very much with the provider on scene. I will merely bring back a bill for any overages and he will reimburse me.

My vacation time is worth that small premium. I have yet to be surprised.

ditto! If you book with a Dive Travel agency or directly with the hotel/resort or liveaboard you are going to pay this up front, no surprises!

I have had to pay "resort fee" at a few places, all of those were booked with places like Travelocity or Expedia or hotels.com. The fees are usually right on the website though, so no reason to be angry about it. Ever go to Vegas? They charge a fee whether you use the casino or not, it is their "resort" fee, paid per night on every room. Just another way to raise revenue on that cheap room they gave you! It's all part of travel, no biggie to me.

robin:D
 
I wouldn't expect to be charged a "spa fee" if I didn't use the spa, any more than I'd expect to pay for the contents of the mini-bar if I didn't eat the $7 Pringles or the $5 Coke.

The other option is to say to the desk clerk clerk "I didn't use the spa, didn't sign up for the spa, and I'm not paying the spa fee."

Terry

I'm not disagreeing with the ire over the fee. I'm saying that focusing that ire on the booking website is like blaming the kid who delivers your newspaper for the tragedy reported on the front page.

That said, your point about telling the desk clerk "I didn't use the spa, didn't sign up for the spa, and I'm not paying for the spa..." is only accurate before you check-in. At check-out you are "after the fact" and at that point you did actually "sign up for the spa" by virtue of agreeing to the room rate and fees when you checked in.

I've had a near 100% success rate at getting the fee waived or other consideration UPON CHECK IN at the hotel. More often than not, it's the "other consideration" vs waived fee, which usually works out WAY BETTER for you.

In the cases where they wouldn't "waive the fee" I've gotten things like...
  • my room rate adjusted down commensurately, or even more; even the lowliest desk clerk can change your room to a lower rate that's in the computer. And no matter WHAT you're paying, there is ALWAYS a lower rate available.
  • an upgrade to a room worth way more than the $25/day fee; once was from an standard "resort view" room to a parlor suite with a balcony
  • a $25/day "resort credit" good towards food and beverage
  • vouchers for free drinks, free meals, or other services I actually wanted and valued
  • in one case I was offered the "all inclusive package" added to my room at no extra charge, which was a >$100/per person, per day value...almost $1,400 value in exchange for paying for the spa I didn't use

The main reason I get these things, is that I don't start off full of piss and vinegar and screaming for the manager. I've already 'accepted' the fee mentally by making the reservation, so why be mad? I ask politely if there's anything they can do about the fee. I don't specifically ask them if they can waive it, because I know why the can't and because I don't want to limit my potential upside to some paltry $25/day fee. Often they'll ask "well what would you like" at which point I'll respond "I don't want to box you in to a specific solution..." Or if they seem like they're a good egg and will have some fun with it I'll say something like "Hey, I'm giving you the chance to make this the greatest vacation of my life - go for it!"

I've never been able to get it waived as part of the reservation... and frankly I stopped trying a long time ago!

:D
 
I agree that the quoted price from any business should be the final bill. That's just dishonest and any 10 year old kid would say so. This reminds me of the commercials with the kid on the bike with the lines around it?

Just stay away from any web site that allows this dishonest practice and for God's sake, don't make excuses for them, they are liars and should be held in disdain.
 
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