Cozumel Incident 9/4/11

[CozumelAntonio]

:-X eyes rolling...

 

[WSOPFAN]

You mean besides:



Let me think.... how about "Eres un pendejo WSOPFAN"

What part don't you get about that post? She took your so called speculation and turned it into so called fact which in reality is not fact get it? You also added after that thought that you think that is what Christi meant. Really you think? PROVE to me or anybody anywhere that you can't go from 80 -300..........can you?? NO...... When you are done try moving your comments like these to the OTHER thread k? THE OTHER THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh and BTW when you want to say your an idiot in spanish I am quite sure the TOS here applies to bilingual comments genius.

 

[Darol]

Really?? NOTHING has been posted CONFIRMING any story that they hit or passed 300ft. It was posted as 2nd hand speculation PERIOD. WHERE has there ever been any FACTUAL information posted that they went from 80 ft to 300 ft? NONE ..................Anything else you want to add Antonio?

This coming from the guy who posted this.....

Originally Posted by WSOPFAN
No one knows why? Well if you knew that particular dive guide you would know he is very well known for diving like this and has done it with customers before.

Well known by ?????

 

[DjDiverDan]

Whoever speculated that it may have been Santa Rosa may have misinterpreted a Post I had on the earlier thread, in the Cozumel Board. There was some discussion there about downcurrents, and, in responding to a poster who claimed never to have seen a downcurrent in Cozumel, I reported that I had seen downcurrents off both Santa Rosa Wall (I related an experience when an assigned Dive Buddy off of a Cruise Ship strayed out about 15-18 feet away from the wall, and dropped fairly quickly from 100 ft to 140 ft), and off Barracuda, at the North end of the Island. I'll admit that I do not like diving Barracuda; I'm just a recreational diver, I'm 57, and I'd much rather relax, drift with a nice easy current at 80 feet, and see lots of sea life, than try to ride 4 kt currents that take you on an underwater roller coaster, and those are far too common at Barracuda. I do, however, really like Santa Rosa Wall, especially when you get to see big pelagics coming up the wall; biggest Spotted Eagle Rays I ever saw were swimming gracefully up from the deep at Santa Rosa Wall. But Dive Masters quite regularly warn divers about down currents there. If you stay close to the wall - 3-4 feet max (by coincidence, close enough to look into the small cracks, caves, nooks & crannies of the wall, where you're more likely to see small interesting critters), you are almost certainly just fine. But the current comes over the shelf at the top of the wall, and can turn into a rather quick downcurrent that can catch you if you stray more than 6-10 feet away from the wall. I view Santa Rosa as a very safe dive, IF you pay attention to what you are doing & where you are. - Even without a down current, it's easy on ANY wall dive to stray below your planned depth limits if you don't check your depth guage often once you get close to your limit. Maybe it's my own paranoia, but I get anal about diving within the Plan, even when I'm diving with a Steel 120 and I know I've got plenty of air, I still check guages at least every other minute when I'm at 100 feet & there's no real bottom to tell me that I'm drifting downward, and I get surprised about divers who get so relaxed diving that they just "go with the flow" & seem to forget about where they are & how long they've been there on a dive like that.

 

[gypsyjim]

Please cut the personal bs children. Take your petty arguments outside, please.
No matter what you may think, this thread is not all about your egos

 

[Rescue Diver68]

Correct. I wanted to point out that a recompression chamber is not far from any Cozumel dive site. For some reason I can't put my finger on I had Santa Rosa in my head but I dive all of the sites in Coz and don't think any one is more dangerous from the other for most divers. Have dived all of them hundreds and hundreds of times.

Wow you must have more than 999 dives if you have dived all of the dive sites in Cozumel hundreds and hundreds of times! For those who have not- you may be making them think Santa Rosa is dangerous. You know it isn't and I know it isn't but if you start saying this horrible accident happened there others might think it is. Just sayin'.

 

[WSOPFAN]

This coming from the guy who posted this.....

Well known by ?????

My response to that was meant that he does do bounce diving and that it MAY be a possibility here. Simply responding to that 2nd hand speculation is NOT confirmation that they were EVER at 300 ft.

 

[MMM]

No, I don't have hundreds of dives off each and every site. Sheesh. I don't think Santa Rosa is difficult and in fact find it boring. Wha'ts your poiint?

Wow you must have more than 999 dives if you have dived all of the dive sites in Cozumel hundreds and hundreds of times! For those who have not- you may be making them think Santa Rosa is dangerous.

 

[DjDiverDan]

By the way, I really would like to know WHERE this particular dive occurred, and what the exact circumstances were when the downcurrent hit. What were the general weather conditions on Coz the day of the incident? Strange currents can result when a strong wind out of the north runs into a strong ocean current coming from the south - it can cause a subduction current, where the surface water, driven south by the wind, dives down below an ocean current flowing into the direction of the wind, or it can cause surface water driven by the wind to "pile up", forcing the ocean current to turn downward. Without facts on the location, wind, weather, currents, etc., most of this is going to turn into rank speculation.

 

[Christi]

Lee, I think what Christy meant is this:

Most recreational divers in Cozumel follow a generally standard profile - 1st-dive 70-80 feet, 2nd dive 40-60. I would venture to say up to 70% of shops and recreational divers follow profiles very close or similar to this, I'm sure most of Scuba Mau's trips do too. On a standart profile like this, a downdraft or downcurrent might take you from 80 feet to 110-120 or from 60 feet to 80-90. There are no downdrafts that take you from 80 feet to 300, period. I think this is what Christy was trying to say.

Like most here, I do not know any details of the dive plan, so anything I say is pure speculation, if downdrafts were a factor in what happened, and considering they were on a non-client private trip, it’s probably true that they were doing a deep dive to being with, which could have been aggravated by downcurrents. Again, this is merely speculation.

I too have prayed for them, and hope they make a full recovery.

Thank you Antonio! You did an excellent job of stating my thoughts!