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Price difference is likely due to the commerce laws as well as the cost to the seller. That is the sellers cost may be lower due to many factors one being currency value. The Euro has dropped recently relative to the dollar and this will of course help. VAT taxes in Europe are much higher and may not be applied for an international transaction. Just a few guesses.
 
If you don't want to pay $759 in the US, come to Australia where you can pay $1100USD for the same setup.
 
I disagree with a couple points in this thread.

First, it is not about company policy. Scubapro would probably love to apply their MSRP policy in Europe, it's just that the EU trade regulations do not allow that kind of price fixing - or most of the other restrictions that are put in the US Scubapro dealer agreements. Thus, the thread should have been left there as it is not about SP policy, but rather about EU regulations and consumer protections - and the lack there of in the US.
According to the OP:
a MK17/A700 price protected at 759.00 in the USA
That is their policy - to set a fixed price in the U.S. that their dealers have to conform to - mfr's policies are not open for discussion in their forums under the special rules so the thread was moved here.
 
According to the OP: That is their policy - to set a fixed price in the U.S. that their dealers have to conform to - mfr's policies are not open for discussion in their forums under the special rules so the thread was moved here.
Right, the thing most people object to is that Scubapro forbids the US dealers from discounting an item more than 10% of the MSRP. This is on an item where the markup is in the 100% range. So if a dealer pays $375 wholesale cost for a regulator, and it has a (Scubapro determined) MSRP of $759, the dealer cannot sell it for less than $683.10 or the dealer will risk losing his dealership.

The same dealer in Europe or Asia paying the same wholesale cost (whether it's in Euros, yen, whatever) is free to sell it for whatever he is comfortable with for a mark up. In this case, he may decide that at a cost of $375 US, he can sell it at $550 US and still have a comfortable margin.

And that might make sense as Scubapro requires cash up front so as soon as you stock it, you are paying interest on it, or at least have your money tied up in it, as well as the money you have tied up in the shop's overhead. Unfortunately, at the full MSRP it's not uncommon for a reg to sit in the shop for months, or even years for a small volume LDS competing with an internet market. If a shop can sell 3 regulators at $550 and make a gross profit of $175 each ($525 total) in the same time it would take them to sell only 1 regulator at $759 and a gross profit of $409, the shop is making more money moving a larger volume of product as the overhead is essentially the same over that same time period.

But Scubapro does not allow that freedom to it's US dealers, which leaves them at a disadvantage to both foreign competition and/or internet retailers.

The idea is well intended - to ensure a large margin for dealers to cover the larger overhead of a brick and mortar shop - but it does not work as the EU trade regulations do not allow Scubapro to restrict who their Eurpoean dealers sell to, how they sell the product (i.e no restriction on internet sales, while US dealers were until very recently restricted to face to face deals), or the prices they charge.

That potentially lets any struggling low volume dive shop in Europe open a web site and sell larger volume of product over the internet at reduced prices and then use the greater profits from sales to customers they'll never see to support the overhead on the shop and stay open for business serving local divers - and those same local divers will will buy locally as the shop has reasonable prices that remove any incentive to buy over the internet. It's a win-win situation for all involved.

Move that same struggling small local dive shop to the US, and all they've got is a small volume of product they have to sell against pressure from a zillion internet sources selling at significantly lower prices.

Part of the rationale is I think that shops will still have service work for local customers who bought those internet regs as a potential revenue stream - something that internet shops won't have. However the warranty and dealer restrictions on the FPFL discouraged annual service on internet regs, used regs and outside of US dealer network regs from the start as customers had to pay the cost of both parts and labor each and every year.

Now, even worse, we have the loss (for all practical purposes) of the free parts for life program for local purchases and that has a significant negative impact it has on service work and the revenue it generates for the shop. Obviously, fewer customers have the cash to buy a qualifying reg, BC and computer all in one shot) and if the customer does not have FPFL, the customer has no real incentive to come in for annual service. Instead they'll come in every other year, or every third year, or worse, they'll just buy another brand your shop does not sell and not come in at all. All of the above negatively and significantly, impact the profits made from service work.

In short, by trying to "protect" US dealers with the very restrictive dealer agreement, they are preventing them from competing while at the she time eliminating other revenue streams they need to keep the shop open. They are in short, killing their own dealer network, regardless of their actual intentions.
 
According to the OP: That is their policy - to set a fixed price in the U.S. that their dealers have to conform to - mfr's policies are not open for discussion in their forums under the special rules so the thread was moved here.

I don't believe that policy is public knowledge. I believe it is recorded only in the dealer agreements which tend to be rather close hold.
 
We have clients from all over the world.

Our european clients will buy Scubapro regs. just to get the Free Parts for Life.

( They actually bring their regs. back to Colorado to have them serviced - Is our service that exceptional? )

Now we are shipping Scubapro/SubGear gear all over the U.S.

U.S. sales of Scubapro are way up over Europe!
 
I don't believe that policy is public knowledge. I believe it is recorded only in the dealer agreements which tend to be rather close hold.
Well DA knows about it. And I do also - I'm as far away from an industry insider as you can get. It's also been endlessly re-hashed in threads here and elsewhere over the years. So maybe it is - just not officially.

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We have clients from all over the world.

Our european clients will buy Scubapro regs. just to get the Free Parts for Life.
So is that still an option - to get FPFL just by buying a ScubaPro regulator? I thought you had to buy a complete package now.
( They actually bring their regs. back to Colorado to have them serviced - Is our service that exceptional? )
I'm guessing your proximity to Vail is part of the reason...some European divers probably also ski when not diving in the winter months. Good time to get the gear serviced.

Taking off my mod hat for a moment:

Just in case you haven't noticed the dozens of comments by other members, the endless self-promotion is really getting tiring. You'd probably be one of the last places I'd buy from now.
 
Well DA knows about it. And I do also - I'm as far away from an industry insider as you can get. It's also been endlessly re-hashed in threads here and elsewhere over the years. So maybe it is - just not officially.

So, just to be clear, neither manufacturer officially published policies or any perceived, rumored, or other possible unofficial policies may be discussed on the manufacturer forums?
 
So, just to be clear, neither manufacturer officially published policies or any perceived, rumored, or other possible unofficial policies may be discussed on the manufacturer forums?
I'm going to have to defer you to Howarde to answer that definitively.

Posts regarding company policy as opposed to questions about products and services may be removed at the companies (or ScubaBoard's) discretion
Seems fairly clear to me. This is about the violation of the special rules in attempting to discuss any policy in their forum which is for product/service discussions - why this thread was originally removed from there. I'm not moderating the official/unofficial nature of their (or anyone else's) policy - I'm moderating the fact that it is not to be discussed there per the Special Rules...

I'm the discretion part...:wink:
 
Why do you feel the need to stick it to Americans?
diversteve,

my posts are a direct response to the OP's question.

My point is it is a free world and people are free to buy gear wherever they please.

And the fact is they do.

In the U.S., a consumer has an option.

Buy Scubapro ( B.C., reg & computer ) and get free parts. Yes, the up front cost is more, but worth it for many.

Buy SubGear ( Scubapro's new line ), pay less money than in Europe - no free parts, only a 30 year warranty.

The U.S. consumer has better choices.

As most people in the world would agree, the U.S. is still a great place to shop!

( my question about " how good our service is " was not meant as a promo, but simply to bring mental stimulus. )

Don't you think it is amazing that consumers all over the U.S. and the world buy Scubapro dive gear from a dive shop ( @8000' - a thousand miles from the Ocean ) in a ski area?

I feel it is an excellent example of Free Enterprise!

( According to your profile, you are not a Scubapro consumer. I thought all of your posts had been with your MOD hat off.)

The reason for my posts are to balance the antagonistic posts towards Scubapro.

Do you really think my 700+ posts are a feasible marketing ploy?
 
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