Regulator sourcing discussion

[cerich]

the us made g500 was basically a g250(later called the V), the Italy made one was basically a s600. I had a few of the US made g500 and loved them but if I remember they killed them after the recall and went with the Italian so they could show a total redesign. Recalls suck.

I know the black purge covered G500s were made in the US and the gray purge covered G500s were made in Italy. I think, and have had others agree, that the US made G500s were better than the Italian version, and better than the S600, but I think that had more to do with tooling and minor changes than where it was made.

Tabata made the Mk 5, so their relationship goes back a long way. I've never had any solid information on what was made where or how many outside sources Scubapro has used, but Tabata has been in the mix from the Mk 5 to at least the Mk 16 and their production facilities are state of the art.

The earliest (mid 60's) Scubapro second stages look exactly like Beuchat second stages of the same era - and if you see the first Jet Fins, you'll see the Beuchat name on them.

 

[Six2Life]

I would like to do one that has one screen that says "If Quality, performance and value make you feel good click here, if paying more and thinking people think you're extra special cool because of it or you like people that judge you by how much money you spend...don't click here" Is that approach in a book somewhere?

I'm not sure if it's in a book, but I like it!

 

[ams511]

However, you would have to be a total moron to truly believe that the amount of thought gone into a Chinese copy reg is anywhere near comparable to the R&D, design, form and function put into beautiful regulators such as the new Aqua Lung legend, or any of the Atomics or those gorgeous Poseidons. Its like saying a Kia pride is built to the same standards as a Maclaren F1. Its totally laughable. The Kia is an excellent car for what it does, but its not high end.

I really think you are a racist. The Chinese can build products as well as anyone else in the world, the only reason they produce low quality goods is because that is what some American companies (like Walmart) ask them to produce. Look at where your electronics are made, chances are it will be made in China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Korea, or Thailand and they work well.

If you like car analogies, British, French, and Italian cars have some of the worst reputations in the US, the mainstream brands from those countries were not imported into the US because they could not compete in the US market. Your comparison of Kia and a Maclaren is even more absurd because you are comparing a handmade super car with a low-end mass produced car. Why don't you compare an MG vs Kia, oh you can't because MGs are now made in China.

 

[elan]

If you like car analogies, British, French, and Italian cars have some of the worst reputations in the US, the mainstream brands from those countries were not imported into the US because they could not compete in the US market.

Undersized ?

Noway I will believe that a GM car is better than Renault in any aspect

 

[TomZ]

I really think you are a racist. The Chinese can build products as well as anyone else in the world, the only reason they produce low quality goods is because that is what some American companies (like Walmart) ask them to produce. Look at where your electronics are made, chances are it will be made in China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Korea, or Thailand and they work well.

If you like car analogies, British, French, and Italian cars have some of the worst reputations in the US, the mainstream brands from those countries were not imported into the US because they could not compete in the US market. Your comparison of Kia and a Maclaren is even more absurd because you are comparing a handmade super car with a low-end mass produced car. Why don't you compare an MG vs Kia, oh you can't because MGs are now made in China.

I don't think an accusation of racism is very pertinent to this discussion, and the claim of racism smacks of someone with an axe to grind.

It's possible to get either an outstanding product or a piece of junk from any nation on earth. That being said, part of my Quality Assurance job with the DoD involves investigation of complaints from service members concerning non-conforming parts. Even though we (in my particular group and experience) procure a far fewer number of parts from China, there is a statistical over-representation of non-conforming parts made there. There is a similar problem with parts sourced from Turkey. I hold no particular animus towards Turks and Chinese, other than the problems associated to their products. From my personal experience, I'm more suspicious of "off-shore" manufacturers. That doesn't mean they can't make a good product, however they are more likely to.

In these discussions, I've never seen anyone document a lack of quality in HOG/Edge products. I do understand someone asking the questions.

 

[ams511]

Undersized ?

Noway I will believe that a GM car is better than Renault in any aspect

Sorry but is was not that they were undersized as VWs and Japanese cars were the same size as Renaults, Alfas, Fiats, and Rovers. It was because they were crap including Renault. I never owned a Renault but I can say that my GM cars were much more reliable than the German-made VW Rabbit I owned.

 

[elan]

Sorry but is was not that they were undersized as VWs and Japanese cars were the same size as Renaults, Alfas, Fiats, and Rovers. It was because they were crap including Renault. I never owned a Renault but I can say that my GM cars were much more reliable than the German-made VW Rabbit I owned.

May be the time has changed. GM seems to have moved backwards

 

[ams511]

I don't think an accusation of racism is very pertinent to this discussion, and the claim of racism smacks of someone with an axe to grind.

In these discussions, I've never seen anyone document a lack of quality in HOG/Edge products. I do understand someone asking the questions.

I have no axe to grind. People bash China and the Chinese over product quality but the Chinese are largely contract manufacturers, they make what is contracted for. If Walmart wants to sell junk, then the Chinese will make it for them. If they want to sell quality then the Chinese will make a quality item.

 

[elan]

I have no axe to grind. People bash China and the Chinese over product quality but the Chinese are largely contract manufacturers, they make what is contracted for. If Walmart wants to sell junk, then the Chinese will make it for them. If they want to sell quality then the Chinese will make a quality item.

Makes a lot of sense. First people love deals discounts and coupons and then they complain about the product being a piece of junk because its made in China

 

[ams511]

May be the time has changed. GM seems to have moved backwards

Between my 77 VW Rabbit and my 84 Fiero the GM was far more reliable and lasted longer. Also my 92 S-10 outlasted my 95 Honda Civic and was much cheaper to repair and required less repairs. I own a 2006 Ford Escape now and except for new tires and a battery it required no repairs.