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My wife and I were discussing how to move forward in our diving education. We thought about doing the advanced open water but as we talked about it we realized we may want to do it the "long way". As recreational divers that will probably only go on dive trips a few times a year we are in no rush. We took the full peak performance buoyancy class and really got a lot out of it. We are thinking of taking underwater navigation next and just progressing through using the full classes. I know it will cost more money but it would be worth it if we learned more
Just wondered if anyone had any thoughts?
 
The idea of AOW was to try some specialties to find something that interests you to continue that training. If the shop offers a variety of specialties you might use AOW to weed some out. If at a PADI shop I would suggest AOW and then Rescue before specialties, SSI has Rescue as a specialty so you can get right to it.

I recommend Nav and Deep for basic skills, and perhaps Search and Recovery which was fun, but I'm not you and don't know your interests.

Good luck and good diving.
 
If you're mainly diving on holiday and assume this is warm, clear water...

Why not take a week's holiday somewhere warm to do the AOW class and maybe one or two specialities such as navigation? This will increase your confidence and provide you some breadth to your skills.

The thing with diving is you don't know where you'll end up a few years down the line. The early courses such as AOW are basic skills which later courses will develop upon.

Rescue Diver is a great course but is far more challenging than the early-days courses. It takes much longer too, especially if you've some skills which need some work.
 
My wife and I were discussing how to move forward in our diving education. We thought about doing the advanced open water but as we talked about it we realized we may want to do it the "long way". As recreational divers that will probably only go on dive trips a few times a year we are in no rush. We took the full peak performance buoyancy class and really got a lot out of it. We are thinking of taking underwater navigation next and just progressing through using the full classes. I know it will cost more money but it would be worth it if we learned more
Just wondered if anyone had any thoughts?

Not having AOW may restrict your diving. Depending on where you dive, the dive ops might want to see the AOW card for certain sites. Others on SB have reported this over the years. It wouldn’t be fun to take a vacation somewhere and want to do certain dives, only to find out once you’re there that you can’t do dives because you lack AOW.

Since AOW is essentially a sampler platter to give you a taste of certain specialties, I’d suggest you do AOW, see what you like, and then pick specialties to do.
 
SSI and SDI (and maybe others) offer an advanced card, based on multiple specialties. You could also do the specialties with PADI and get credited for those dives for AOW - though you would have to do deep and navigation to qualify.
 
I would do nitrox with, or soon after, OW. I would do AOW shortly thereafter to meet the requirement for operators who require it for some dives. The AOW dives, at least for PADI, can count for the first dive of a specialty, deep, navigation...
 
I would do nitrox with, or soon after, OW. I would do AOW shortly thereafter to meet the requirement for operators who require it for some dives. The AOW dives, at least for PADI, can count for the first dive of a specialty, deep, navigation...

I didn't realize that. So you are saying if we do the AOW version of navigation and then want to take the entire class it counts for the first dive of the 3 required?
 
I didn't realize that. So you are saying if we do the AOW version of navigation and then want to take the entire class it counts for the first dive of the 3 required?
Yes, Advanced Open Water Diver | PADI I did just that with Deep, Navigation, DPV, and PPB back in 2004/5

About the Course​

The Advanced Open Water Diver course is all about advancing your skills. You'll practice navigation and buoyancy, try deep diving and make three specialty dives of your choosing (it's like a specialty sampler platter). For every specialty dive you complete, you can earn credit toward PADI® specialty certifications.
Here are a few of the many options: Deep, Digital Underwater Photography, Dive Against Debris, Dry Suit, Enriched Air Nitrox, Fish Identification, Night, Peak Performance Buoyancy, Search & Recovery, Underwater Naturalist, Underwater Navigation, and Wreck Diver.
 
I suggest doing AOW before any specialities, as soon as you have got the minimum number of "normal" dives before doing AOW (usually 10). As already pointed out, AOW is jut a sampler platter of 4 specialty courses. If you like one or two of them, then you can choose to get the full specialty, at a lower cost and more quickly, as you already did dive 1 of each speciality. But it is usually not necessary, most of the speciality courses are just an excuse for spilling more money.
I also recommended that you get Nitrox and Rescue, as these provide some degree of increased safety.
 
I didn't realize that. So you are saying if we do the AOW version of navigation and then want to take the entire class it counts for the first dive of the 3 required?
That depends on the instructor. Most will allow that BUT it won't generally reduce the cost of the class. So even if you do UW Nav as one of the AOW dives, insist on all the UW Nav dives for the course. That extra dive may give you a skill you didn't have or even realize you needed if the instructor is really good.
I have seen shops that use the AOW to get out of giving a diver they dives they paid for when they then decided to take the full class.
An extra day or extra dive is never a bad thing.

Personally I always recommended Rescue or a rescue skills workshop as the first class after OW. Some agencies don't require AOW for rescue. And no reason why they should.
A good Rescue class is as much if not more about preventing accidents and most of that occurs on land. Not in the water. There are those who say you need the UW Nav dive to do an effective Rescue. Totally false.
And you sure as hell don't need 40 dives or perfect buoyancy to tow a diver in, bring one up from depth, or save a panicked diver.

In my second book, SCUBA: A Practical Guide to Advanced Level Training, I go into much more detail about choosing AOW training and getting ready for it. As well as what to look for in an AOW class.

For SEI, NAUI, PDIC, and BSAC and CMAS courses those are taught as part of the basic Open Water class. So making people do AOW or get 40 dives in is a money maker more than anything.
I always offered the Rescue Class and a one pool session one day open water rescue workshop for those who felt they were not ready or did not have the time for the two pool session, two day open water rescue class.
Usually they soon discovered the rescue class was not beyond their ability as a new open water diver.

If you think about it, why would you wait to take a class that gives you a new level of risk awareness and how to respond to problems or prevent them before you take classes that give you access to dives with a higher level of risk?
And you can always take a rescue refresher down the road if you feel you need it.

That said, UW Nav, if taught properly, can go a long way towards improving you and your wife's buddy skills, communication, cooperation, and help integrating each others strengths and weaknesses. I had a couple tell me that my UW Nav class helped in their overall communication as a couple. BUT, the class needs to be a good one. Emphasizing buddy skills, working as a team on UW Nav skills, sharing the task loading, and trading skills. If you are good with a compass, she should use it on several dives while you take note of features, monitor depth, etc.

It really is on the instructor to make the class a good one that actually gives you skills. They need to go above and beyond the book/standards. I looked at 8 or 9 UW Nav standards and if taught by the book alone, they all pretty much sucked. So I wrote my own that met the standards and far exceeded them.
I made it so there were 6 dives instead of the usual 3 or 4, included the use of lines and reels, and emphasized small steps that enabled people to be more successful and build on those successes. Thus getting more confident rather than frustrated and getting more accurate over "close enough" and it worked.
 
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