mirrorless cameras which one is best for U/W pic taking ???

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So i travel alot thats why im looking at mirrorless cams instead of a big canon 550 etc

I am currently looking at either the sony nex5 or 5n just now but interested to hear peoples views on them and other mirrorless systems so there are now a few in the market their new with a big system i would go for a canon but for a micro system i have no idea lol any help and guidence would be great ...

gregor
 
The sony system seriously lacks in lenses, for underwater use. They lack in quality, and lack in zoom range.

The micro 4/3 lens line up is ready to go, and can be used today, for superb underwater images with quality, if you are interested in paying for them. Several choices of wide angle primes and wide angle zooms, at differing price points.
 
Panasonic and Olympus lead the way and offer the best options in terms of housings and lenses according to specialised sources however it is better to form your own opinion testing an actual camera as they are quite expensive devices
 
I would vote for Olympus E-PL3 as it is a VERY compact camera with the housing from Olympus also very lightweight (hence I use it myself as a world backpacker) and maybe the wide angle lens 9-18mm. There is also the BRAND NEW OMD E-M5 which is nice and everyone raves about, BUT its a tad bigger the housing is MUCH larger, HEAVIER AND PRICIER. But if you are just starting, start out with the regular Olympus setup (E-PL3), its light weight. Panasonic does not make a housing you have to buy 3rd party (again heavy and PRICEY) and if you ever choose a micro four third lens from Olympus to go with a Panasonic camera you have no stabilization, vs if you buy a Panasonic lens for a Oly camera. Olympus has the stabilization in the sensor, Panasonic builds it into their lenses. You can also check out Best Beginner Underwater Camera options | SCUBA PHOTO SCHOOL hope it helps.
 
FYI I am selling my gently used (~ 10 dives) Panasonic GF2 mirrorless system for about half the cost of retail price. It includes the Recsea housing & glass port for 8mm lens. Will also sell the camera and lens to. If you are interested, let me know.

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oh yeah, here are some pics I took with it Blood star W.jpgCrazy eyes W.jpg
 
I picked up a used NEX-5 and a meike case all for less than $350. I have the kit lens from my NEX-7 which is supposed to be "bad" but is really quite decent stopped down to f11 to give good dof. The 5N will cost a bit more and the meike case is a bit more ($150 I think). Add a S&S strobe and you've got a great system. I sold my OM-1 to finally go digital and have the OM SW series P&S cameras. I can just say the NEX system is excellent IMO - and the price is amazing. My 2c.

Here's a pic taken two days ago on Apo reef in the PI. Didn't have my stobe even.

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Since you're looking at underwater use, consider the system as a whole - housing, camera, lens.


  • The Sony NEX has a great sensor and good promise. Housings are expensive and as mentioned there's a shortage of lenses.
  • The Panasonic Lumix would be my first choice if it was only surface shooting. Lots of lenses and great video. However, housings are costly.
  • The Olympus PEN series of cameras have access to all the same great lenses as the Lumix (four thirds mount). However, they have dedicated Olympus housings that actually work very well and are inexpensive.

...you can buy an Olympus PEN camera body, lens and housing for under $1000. That's less than the housing cost alone for a Lumix or NEX. And the Olympus is pretty much limited by your skills, not the platform.


All the best, James
 
Sony's NEX5N is at 16MP - the other 4/3's - with better lens choices - are at 12MP. If you can wait a bit, I would think Oly/Pan would have come out with newer models by now.

Video on the Sony is outstanding btw.

I just picked up the 16MM F2.8 "pancake" lens for our Sony NEX5N for less than 300$. I'd say the image is about 5% larger than the per-packaged lens w/o zooming.
However F2.8 is nice compared to F3.5, considering especially video.

How about this argument in the mix - how deep do you want to go with a cam?

Honestly above 30 feet, high viz and a very sunny day... Or typically "GoPro" territory.
Thus the case for strobes, or, no strobes.

Shallow & sunny day, lots of money saved. No need for a fancy & expensive housing. You can then pick up cheap clear acrylic housings for just about any 4/3 or Sony's NEX5N. Plenty of threads on these.

Plus they're great to use on the beach, not bulky.
 
Sony's NEX5N is at 16MP - the other 4/3's - with better lens choices - are at 12MP. ...

The Olympus OM-D E-M5 is 16 MP, has housings from Oly and Nauticam, and has been getting great reviews. Unlike the Pen series it also has an eye-level electronic viewer and much better low light capability. There is a lot of posts in the The Olympus Outlet

I was set back when I saw how small the OMD is, as are the M3/4 lenses.
 
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I would echo FDog's advice; think about the system as a whole - BUT I would take it another step or two further.

If you are going to buy a mirrorless camera, you are buying a system. And that includes lenses, ports gears, tray/arms and strobes. The camera is going to end up being the least expensive part of it - and the part you are going to change out in a couple of years. You want to think about where you are going to be then in terms of what you can reuse and upgrade and what it's resale is going to be like.

The Sony Nex5N is a great camera. There are very good wide angle options for it behind a dome port, and they are fairly inexpensive as far as lenses go. You just buy the 16mm and then add on the w/a or FE adapters to it. All 3 fit the Nauticam dome and you don't need a zoom gear. I would agree that the macro lenses are a bit limited, the 30mm hasn't worked out all that well uw, but the w/a is very good.

Panasonic has some very good lenses and shoots excellent video. We have found their cameras to be fussy when when working in optical sync with external strobes. They are also more expensive. But they have more direct controls and better specs in many cases.

Olympus has very easy-to-use cameras and reasonably priced lenses, they are filling in some gaps with new lenses this summer and fall. They seem to work very well in manual and TTL sync with external strobes. Bang for the buck, I really like the E-PM1 and PT-EP06 housing - not the EP06L version whose lights are a joke. The OM-D is making many people sell their big DSLRs and move to a small, high quality camera with great specs and imaging.

But really, I would almost consider the housing before the camera; The Olympus housings are inexpensive at $599-799ish, as are the cameras - the PM1 is only $399, but adding ports is expensive. Your best options are the Zen dome at $499-799, plus the lens. that port may/may not fit a new housing. Although they do seem like they'll fit the new Oly OM-D housings, that may not be true in the future. And they are limited to 135', are plastic and will wear out much sooner and need service or replacement. I doubt there will be much of a resale on them.

If you spend a bit more on a Nauticam housing, you are buying into a much broader system; many more ports and gear combos, both Pany and Oly lenses fit all the housings. The housings are rated to 2-300' and much more rugged. They can be easily serviced and will last a long time. They usually have a leak detector. They tend to be less bulky, have a much more ergonomic design, better and smoother controls and usually support all camera functions (the Oly's tend not to have the rear dial control). The ports have a locking bayonet mount that is almost impossible to mis-mount. They come in flat, dome and semi-dome designs. They tend to be less expensive as well.

The Nauticam housing for the OM-D ($1350) is very competitive with the Oly ($995) with all the above advantages. The Nauticam Pany GX1 is very reasonable at $1200. And you are much more likely to be able to resell it at a decent price, and re-use all the lenses, ports and gears when you upgrade.

Lighting is the most critical thing you will spend money on. Buy more than you need, start with one good strobe and add another. We like the Sea & Sea YS-D1 a lot - all of us are shooting it now.

So be sure to think through your new system, think though how you want to expand it and upgrade it in the future, and what you want to do with your photos. It may give you a better idea on your present purchase.

Jack
 

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