A Beginning Workout target to This Middle-age Diver

[ArcticDiver]

...
...you are kinda nuts.

Ahhh...just what I expected; another personal attack. Just checking to see if that was still your MO. Sorry to see it is.

For a moment look back on my original post on this subject. The thrust of the post was that of all places Hawaii, and Oahu in specific, ought to be the healthiest place around. But I saw lots of fat people, not tourists.

Don't know what got you so upset but you sure do hold on to it. Let go and be free

No more on this.

 

[Cacia]

well, if someone gives you the stats and you continue to insist that you are correct...that's..not nuts, how about illogical and misinformed?..or

ig·no·rance (ĭg'nər-əns)
n.
The condition of being uneducated or uninformed.

I'm not mad, I just thought I would point out that you are wrong.


But, people can Google obesity rates for Oahu and decide for themselves about your statements. I just don't want people to get the idea that Honolulu is an overweight city, relative to other cities, because the facts are that it is not.

The reason I say you can be a little "nuts" is because you will continue to insist you are right just because you walked around in Waikiki and saw some overweight people...

The facts don't get on your radar, even after it is cited by a study.

Arctic Diver, in fact, I would go so far as to say you are impervious to facts.

Now...lets not mess up the nice man's thread.

 

[wb416]

What happened to this workout thread?
fftopic:

I think someone needs to start an obesity thread.

 

[Cacia]

oh no.

So, why would you switch to adding bulk instead of cardio, if you are middle aged, just curious?

Why would your goals change in that way? What are the health benefits of bulk, a higher metobolic rate?

 

[irishsquid]

oh no.

So, why would you switch to adding bulk instead of cardio, if you are middle aged, just curious?

Why would your goals change in that way? What are the health benefits of bulk, a higher metobolic rate?

Not to answer for the OP; I am middle aged and have started working out again. I was always active in sports in HS, and constantly trained in the Navy. When I got married @ 32yrs. of age, I got lazy for one reason or another and really started feeling like crap. I have been working out now for two yrs. regularly. I started with Cardio and still do it. A friend of mine, who could be an ad for the epitome of health turned me on to weight training for bulk (not the pro body builder kind) and "strength". The gains made have increased my metabolism, strength, and cardio seems alot easier. I can't back my claim that the bigger stronger muscles use oxygen more efficiently but it sure seems that way for me. I also cut my % body fat easier with the weight training. Calorie intake is a big factor. I woudn't say either is better, and would recommend a balance of all.
Lifting heavy weights sure makes one look good in almost all attire tho'.

 

[Psychicanimal]

I want to beach dive, which means snorkeling through surf, wearing jet fins and SCUBA gear, for 1/4 mile to reach the spot, spearfish and then come back?

What kind of physical training is needed to be able to do this @ age 44?

Answer: one needs to practice the real scenario. To get there one must do aerobics--lots of aerobics and later on interval training. To keep up during middle age the tendons & ligaments need stretching plus lots of tender love & care.

There is no substitute for swimming with fins.:no

I posted what I'm doing on another thread, for those who would like to know:

http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?t=176915&page=6

I strongly disagree with conventional muscle mass weightlifting. Take a look at how strong a weltereight boxer or olympic wrestler is and they still have to stay within the weight class. The Cubans teach that sets of no less than 15 but not more than 18 reps are the ticket. Another positive aspect of boxing training is this: the cardiorespiratory system gets used to heavy exertion for three minutes and then one minute rest. When sitting around watching TV, a world class boxer will have a pulse of around 35 beats per minute. How about that?

Artic diver, why argue with such a pretty gal? Did you take a look at some of her girlfriends? Next time you went to Hawaii you could have been introduced to them...:shakehead

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[Cacia]

I need to do more weights, but I have focused on HR of 140 X 25 minutes (treadmill on incline) and then interval bursts on my trainer...it's killing me actually. The dvd might be too hard.

The Cubans teach that sets of no less than 15 but not more than 18 reps are the ticket

I am doing 12, adding weights each set.

whats the theory about 15-18 reps?

 

[Psychicanimal]

I need to do more weights, but I have focused on HR of 140 X 25 minutes (treadmill on incline) and then interval bursts on my trainer...it's killing me actually. The dvd might be too hard.

I am doing 12, adding weights each set.

whats the theory about 15-18 reps?

If you give this some thought it will make sense. Powerlifters do sets of 3 to 5 reps, bodybuilders sets of 10 to 12 (hipertrophy) and their cutting up sets usually around 25 reps. The 15 to 18 reps per set will allow you to maximize strength while staying in a particular weight range. I learned this from PR's olympic boxing team coach, who was a self professed socialist, had studied in Cuba and was heavily against professional boxing.

Women have a different hormonal system and unlike men's, which runs on testosterone, it runs on estrogen. Estrogen allows women to do constant & extended medium work. You gals don't get tired dancing, do you? I suggest you read Ironman magazine/books cause they address women's particularities. A man's weight lifting program is inappropriate for a woman's hormonal makeup.

I don't know aerobic training specifics, unfortunately. A track & field coach is the person to seek, not a personal trainer.

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[ArcticDiver]

wb416As I was snowshoeing in a new trail through knee to hip deep snow last week I thought of you. There I am having to pick up those shoes to nearly waist level each time, working hard enough to stay warm in just a T-shirt, with a severe clear sky and not another human within miles. And I thought of you.

Anyway, through the sweat because it was very warm at about 30 degrees I was meditating on your original post about exercises to develop and maintain health. Over the years I've seen many articles and posts like that. But, I've come to realize there is no substitute for knowing the human body and an individual's body in specific.

The rules I was taught and have found successful are not associated with specific exercises; but with the parameters of them.
-Unless being done for a short period, like a wind sprint, keep all exercises aerobic. A person should always be able to talk while exercising.
-Health/fitness is a life long style of living; not a specific short term program. It is the long term choices of everything a person does.
-Food and rest choices are just as important as actual exercise.
-Don't be afraid to hurt a little. Until form starts to suffer or you have the "burn" you are doing well.
-Be patient. It will take some time to get in the shape you wish. That is fine; you have the rest of your life. Plus, your standards and desires will probably change. They have for most everyone I know.
-Avoid "diets", or short time exercise programs like the plague.
-Know Why you are maintaining a healthy life. For me it isn't about looking good or maintaining a certain society determined weight. It is about being able to do things I want to do. It is about having as much quality in my life as I can; not having quantity of life.

Anyway, such were the meditiations as I was slogging along on the shoes.