Canadian Tourist Killed in Honduras

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lsudive:
It does seem odd that they were taking a bus to La Ceiba rather than a flight, but who can tell what the circumstances were. It's a pity that it happened, though. And the poor girl he was trying to save . . .

Not really ... when I travel I will opt for a bus or train (in places like China, Taiwan, and Indonesia) in order to get a better feel for what the place is really like. Sure, it presents some additional risks ... but if some of us are willing to accept that for the experience.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
RoatanMan:
Best advice? Compliance with no threatening movements.

it sounds like the young man responded when the robbers assaulted his
female friend (perhaps girlfriend):

Masse, a student at Laval University in Quebec City, was killed when he tried to protect [Melanie] Poirier from being attacked by the thieves, reports say.

there's a lot here we don't know yet. apparently, a police officer died at the scene:
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TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras -- A Canadian man has died after an attack on a bus on which he was riding, police said Tuesday.

Police spokesman Gustavo Farjardo identified the man as Jocelyn Masse, 21, of Isles-de-la-Madeleine, Que. He was travelling with Melanie Poirier, also of Isles-de-la-Madeleine, from San Pedro Sula to La Ceiba in northwest Honduras when robbers attacked the bus on Saturday.

Masse was shot at point-blank range.

A police officer died at the scene while Masse died Monday in a hospital in San Pedro Sula, about 180 kilometres northwest of the capital, Tegucigalpa.

http://www.canada.com/search/story.html?id=048fbe70-bbac-4def-9425-cb89ce7fb8a0
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NWGratefulDiver:
Not really ... when I travel I will opt for a bus or train (in places like China, Taiwan, and Indonesia) in order to get a better feel for what the place is really like. Sure, it presents some additional risks ... but if some of us are willing to accept that for the experience.
... Bob (Grateful Diver)

What I meant by that was: They were taking a bus to La Ceiba to (board a plane to) go diving...from where???

From the story, it must be assumed that they were on a non-SCUBA jaunt around the mainland, and I don't think any of the articles (Without lending a note of factuality or credence to any news source account) mentioned where the incident occurred. One may fly from the North into LaCeiba, but getting there by bus means you were out in the sticks sightseeing.

My days of side trips in Central America are over. I have had that adventure during the 70's and 80's. I fly down to dive in my doddering years.

The exposures are indeed real, as other posters have mentioned. There are some pretty much unavaoidable locales that you have to deal with as you "gateway" to SCUBA backrolls...

This list may run the gamut from "be watchful" or "be aware of certain neighborhoods and times of day" to "take an armed escort". In this South/Central America forum & the Caribbean the "gateway city" list might include:

Trinidad (not Tobago)
Caracas (not Los Roques)
Quito (not Galapagos)
Belice City (not the atolls)
Nassau (not the outer islands)
Honduras (not the Bay Islands)

Once again, lest anyone be ruffled, not all of the above are equal, nor is your mere appearance in these cities any guarantee that you will be violated. Just as in the US or and (so called) civilized place, maybe even Canada, you can really get into some deep puppy-poop in the bat of an eye. Try not to bat your eye!

Tourists (and in this case, lower economic class bus riders) make most excellent targets of opportunity. They come neatly packed into a handy container; your criminal activity is well obscured by normal goings-on within and around the bus; your victims are seated tightly and unable to access weapons or position themselves for resistance without being obvious; your targets are unarmed because of their socio-economic or non-citizen status; the targets are likely transporting merchandise or cash because they have the family stash for a shopping trip; they/you are not locals or known to each other.

All in all, robbing busses is a national sport. This isn't much different than the wild- west robbing of stage coaches. "Why do you rob banks? Because that's where the money is!"

Many visitors from the North are alarmed by the Guards posted in front of stores and banks with drab uniforms and 12 gauge pump shotguns, sittting on wooden chairs throughout the night. You figure it out. What's the response time of the Cops to an unreliable telephone alarm system versus the cost per hour of having a guy sit in front of your shop/bank and watch the goods. Do not be afraid of these guys, it is the rough equivelant of having a Texan with a concealed carry card in your midst. Everything is going to be o.k. (If they do have cause to engage a Ladron (robber) in a gun battle, you might want to duck- They aren't real well trained in marksmanship or tactics, but then again, they don't have to be all that good because the Guard from the next block will be by to 'get some' if he hears some commotion)

In the (not so) old days, TACA would tell us that we were scheduled to land in Roatan at 16:45 hrs on any given Saturday. Any idiot knew that wasn't true. Sunset was at 16:33 and RTB airport had no lights. Wasn't going to happen. TACA knew you were headed elsewhere!

Surprise! At 16:00 hrs, just as we should have been descending over Belice to approach Roatan, they would (or sometimes not) announce that we were being diverted to El Salvador. (That they would make no further announcements or expalnations is an entirely different story, more about TACA than anything related to this thread)

They would pack us into comfy busses at El Salvador airport and schlepp us through the dark mountain highway to the big city where we would be hosted at the fabulous 5* Intercontinental Hotel and then be dragged back for the daylight flight into Roatan. S.O.P., all the time.

Some folks noticed and were quite alarmed by the pickup truck full of aremd guards that preceed us on that 25 mile journey into the darkness. You couldn't convince your fellow travellers that this was indeed a good thing , and it certainly wouldn't have made them feel any better if they had seen the same kind of guards following us in another pickup truck.

It's a different way of life, run by a different meter. In the US we accept law enforcement's role being that of taking reports for filing insurance paperwork after an incident. In other countries, "Homie don't play dat".

Do not be afraid of the guards, they are placed there and paid for by the guys that make money from your presense. Many islands have yet an additional level or layer of law enforcement called "Tourist Police". Trust me, they aren't there to bust you for drinking or tell the beach bunnies to put their tops back on.

Be safe by being smart. If you want Disneyland, stay in Springfield or watch the Travel Channel. If you want to accept the risk and rewards of leaving your house and home, the adventure is endless!
 
I just knew someone would get offended if I posted that. However, its still a valid question to want to know what the proximity was to the dive resorts. Read in to it all you want, but don't berate me for wanting to have enough information to estimate the risks and make an informed decision.
 
StSomewhere:
I just knew someone would get offended if I posted that. However, its still a valid question to want to know what the proximity was to the dive resorts. Read in to it all you want, but don't berate me for wanting to have enough information to estimate the risks and make an informed decision.

Now that you know that this incident occured (assumably) on a seldom used mode of transport (for a NorteAmericano diver), from a distant location on the way to an airport city to fly to the Bay Islands, in that you know (from the article) that one of the unfortunate travellers chose to forcibly resist...

Now then, how do you rate the risks and at what decision do you now arrive?
 
Didn't you say in an earlier post that someone flying in on Taca could conceivably get an unanticipated "mainland experience", vs. say, flying Continental? Its not that I haven't had some unique and exciting travel experiences in my younger years, but as a parent I've dialed back the acceptable level of "excitement" I'm willing to tolerate. For similar reasons that I wouldn't sightsee in parts of Miami.

RoatanMan:
Now that you know that this incident occured (assumably) on a seldom used mode of transport (for a NorteAmericano diver), from a distant location on the way to an airport city to fly to the Bay Islands, in that you know (from the article) that one of the unfortunate travellers chose to forcibly resist...
That "unfortunate traveler" seems to have been trying to protect his companion from being "assaulted". I don't think I'm reading too much into it to know what that means. You couldn't see yourself trying to stop something like that?
 
Form RoatanMan:
What I meant by that was: They were taking a bus to La Ceiba to (board a plane to) go diving...from where???

From Montreal to Honduras, if they were flying direct from Montreal meaning not travelling in CA for weeks...the "usual" route to go to the Bay islands is by American Airlines via Miami, then Miami to SAP so I would guess they were taking the bus from SAP to LaCeiba and then, the boat to Utila or Roatan.
 
My girlfriend is from Honduras and just came back from visiting family. She didn't take any jewelry except a cheap watch. Maybe it's local on local crime, but she says people will snatch your earings right off your ear. She's from central Honduras. Roatan is like any other resort area I've been in developing countries. Much safer than the surrounding countryside.
 
I believe the bus was near San Pedro Sula at the time, enroute from SPS to LaCeiba. Most flights available to us were into San Pedro Sula, so that may well have been the case with these folks. Most people I know who love to dive, love to experience new cultures, too, and Honduras is a very rich country in that sense. I'll be heading by myself to SPS, then to Copan Ruinas by bus, then back to SPS and on to Utila and eventually Roatan. This makes me a little more nervous but I'm not paranoid enough to change my wonderful trip plans for it.
 
StSomewhere:
Didn't you say in an earlier post that someone flying in on Taca could conceivably get an unanticipated "mainland experience", vs. say, flying Continental? Its not that I haven't had some unique and exciting travel experiences in my younger years, but as a parent I've dialed back the acceptable level of "excitement" I'm willing to tolerate. For similar reasons that I wouldn't sightsee in parts of Miami.

TACA and others no longer have to do that. The airport recvd a donation of landing lights some years ago. After sitting in the crates for 4 years, they installed them Even though Roatan Electric cut them off for unpaid electric service, they left the power on for essential services. The airport now seems to have full electricity and can land planes, day and night. Really bad weather may cause diversions, though

That "unfortunate traveler" seems to have been trying to protect his companion from being "assaulted". I don't think I'm reading too much into it to know what that means. You couldn't see yourself trying to stop something like that?

Can I see myself doing that? Read my profile. I can (and have) done that and worse, but not without first making very advised decisions.

1) What is the worst that can happen if I comply?
2) What are my odds of injury if I engage participating aggressors now identified?
3) What are the chances of improving any companion's plight?

Add into that mixture variables such as whether a companion can offer any assistance or will exacerbate the situation by attempting to assist or not being willing/able to assist. And a thousand other things.

Anecdote: My S.O. (5' 105# Female) and I walk a few feet outside of the safe zone of a straw market in Quito and are accosted. I whisper to her, "Split up watch them, 15 feet my left, show them your knife". As she did that, I opened my 4" lockback Emerson Wave as did she. Unfortunately for us, all she knew how to do was open it rather dramaticaly from her pocket with a commanding snap, not much more. The sight of the two blades- in the hands of what were just momenst before soft target tourists- caused our bludgeon armed attackers to back away quickly.

My thought process? They both had clubs, we were relatively alone, and they looked like there were some drugs involved. We had little on us to satisfy them other than "drop wallets". I had a full night's sleep but was feeling kinda' cranky. I was also 10 years younger and dumber at the time.

What would I have done if they had harmed her? No telling. But in a simple robbery, these clowns don't want anything except your cash and valuables. You do the math.

Better to give them what they think they want. That Casey Ryback stuff only works in the movies if you're Steven Seagal and have a ponytail.
 
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