Hello CMAS One
Can we expect any answer here ?
Thanks
JL
Can we expect any answer here ?
Thanks
JL
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CMAS is nowhere above PADI and the opposite is true.
This contribution is done based on my own experience.
I am a PADI OWSI and a CMAS *** diver (French FFESSM Level 3) undertaking soon the CMAS *** diver (French FFESSM Level 4) exam and the CMAS Instructor * training.
Satyre:CMAS is nowhere above PADI and the opposite is true.
I would be very interested in hearing what specific experience you are basing your statements upon. I am a past PADI instructor and CMAS *** instructor and totally disagree with you.
Now that this is said, I would love to hear your point of view.I am a past PADI instructor and CMAS *** instructor and totally disagree with you.
Now that this is said, I would love to hear your point of view.
PADI has lowered the training requirements; which has allowed diving to become more main-stream. This has strengthened the diving industry. At the same time, it has contributed to divers being more dependent on DMs/instructors & has resulted in a lowering of diver competence (particularly in beginner in-water skills and knowledge). PADI training has been focused on the LDS.
CMAS on the other hand has maintained what many believe to be a dinosaur approach to diving education. Their standards generally require a higher degree of stamina and ability and the certification process is longer. CMAS has largely maintained a dive club focused approach.
I agree that CMAS would require *generally* more stamina but what is the most important the stamina or the skills? Once you have master the basic skills and when you enjoy your diving getting the stamina for more advanced stuff is possible (and even easier), isn't it?Their standards generally require a higher degree of stamina and ability and the certification process is longer. CMAS has largely maintained a dive club focused approach.
Call me stupid but once again I am new in the industry.
Could you please specify how (in wich ways) PADI has lowered the training requirements. Additional question is why is t such a bad thing that diving has becomen more main-stream?
Then a couple of comments:
All my instructors so far from OWD to OWSI have put the emphasis on the fact that becoming a certified diver, was like getting a driver licence. Does not mean that you are a formula 1 race pilot but you are allow to be on the road and gain experience, grow expertise. When it comes to diving, you have dive professionals that can assist you and bring value added to your dives . Is that bad?
I will not certify a diver that I am nit confident in, and most of my instructors would not. In fact, my AOWD instructor held my certification (since my IDC, I know this was not standard) until I logged 5 more dives as he was not happy with my buoyancy at the time. Ever since, people with whom I have dived never complained... and some are on the board.
I agree that CMAS would require *generally* more stamina but what is the most important the stamina or the skills? Once you have master the basic skills and when you enjoy your diving getting the stamina for more advanced stuff is possible (and even easier), isn't it?
An example: a beginner PADI diver may be scared by currents whereas a CMAS diver may not be as he had been practicing swimmimg intensively. In the event of a dive trip in Coco Islands or Maldives, don't you think that an intelligent diver (PADI, SSI, CMAS, ...) would go to the gym and the swimmimg pool to be in a good shape and get the best ?
So I would say that the system is not better but the training philosophy differs. The final goals remain the same : Train good and safe divers.
And a last thing, longer doesn't mean better. It use to be longer to build a russian Trabant car rather that a Ford car. I will go with the Ford if choice is given
PADI has made scuba mainstream, whereas before it was an "Only the strongest survive" training mentality. This is a good thing. However when training is based on a business model - ie more students = more profit, then training by the very nature of the model must be as streamlined as much as possible, which can be a bad thing. CMAS training is based on Quality, whereas as PADI is based on Profit. I do not mean to imply that PADI courses are dangerous, but extra training and practice time generally leads to more competent students, and CMAS is about training 100 qualified students where PADI is about training 1000 students in the the same period of time.
Take care,
George