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Diving anyway Even though you know you can’t find it.

Discussion in 'Solo Divers' started by Frank Dieber, Jun 30, 2019.

  1. Frank Dieber

    Frank Dieber Angel Fish

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Greenwood Lake N.Y.
    I post this here because I almost always solo dive and I like how you guys give it straight up what you feel comes right out no BSing around. So here’s a question I asked my self earlier, I knew the answer and dove anyway. I got a call earlier today someone’s daughter lost her phone in my local lake I work in and they want me to go down and find it. On the phone her father tells me a round about location of the lost item and right off the batt I know the area and I don’t want to dive it because most of it is nothing but lake weed from the bottom to the surface, but I agree to meet and check it out. (I should say I was already planning to make a dive this evening) So we meet it looks like the weeds aren’t that bad where she THINKS? she dropped the phone but I know once I get to the bottom they will b there. Also this lake has about 6 inches of vis on a good day. I explained to them if I actually find this thing it’s just pure luck and seeing I was going for a dive anyway I would give them a discounted rate.
    I’ve been doing salvage dives for large objects for a long time and my recovery rate is 100% iv never failed. I started doing small object recovery as a business last year and this is the first failure and I knew it was going to be. I knew the location instructions sucked I knew the underwater Conditions sucked but they asked me to try anyway so i did. And it was a giant FAILURE!!! And I HATE not getting the job done!!! So what’s better keeping the customer happy and trying anyway? Or just telling them it can’t be done and keeping your stats up? They Appreciated the effort I put in , they had nothing but thanks after but what pisses me off is it messed up my record and I knew it was going to. I dropped hoping on luck and ended with snake eyes.
    So what would you all have done said no or gave it a shot?
  2. SleepySlipper

    SleepySlipper Divemaster

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: CA, Oahu, Maui, ND, MN
    Considering you surfaced alive and well...sounds like you still hold a near flawless record.
    Sh0rtBus and chillyinCanada like this.
  3. Frank Dieber

    Frank Dieber Angel Fish

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Greenwood Lake N.Y.
  4. diversteve

    diversteve Technical Admin

    # of Dives: I'm a Fish!
    I would have told them that unless it was in a waterproof case it was a write-off once the water shorted it out and did they still want you to try?
  5. mac64

    mac64 Barracuda

    # of Dives: 5,000 - ∞
    Location: Ireland
    I’ll tell the client what the odds are and then do my best, I’ve found moorings and ground tackle completely buried in mud that I was sure would never be found and failed to to find outboards I thought would be laying on the clear ground, nothing is certain but you do your best.
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  6. Johnoly

    Johnoly Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Hunting is hunting. We hunt seafood.
    If we want better consistent results we need to continue to upgrade our equipment. For us that includes better enclosed track accurate guns, custom liftbags for different sites and greatly improved 3D side scan sonar that lights up the smallest fish (or phone) hiding on the bottom.

    If you want better and more profitable results (fish or recoveries) you need to pry open your wallet and upgrade your topside equipment.
  7. Neilwood

    Neilwood Loggerhead Turtle

    # of Dives: 50 - 99
    Location: Scotland
    I would never try to achieve or suggest finding things 100% of the time - you are setting yourself up for failure.

    Give a reasonable guess as to the odds (if anything shoot low - under-promise and overachieve) and give it your best shot. Unless you have expensive sonar as Johnoly suggests you are fighting the odds.
  8. ReefHound

    ReefHound PADI Pro

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Houston, TX
    Quit worrying about your "record". If I was a customer, I'd have greater respect for the salvager who always gives it his best no matter how bad the odds than one who cherry-picks the jobs to yield success. You were honest with them about the odds.
  9. Linke Seitentasche

    Linke Seitentasche Angel Fish

    Do the clients have to pay you in advance?
  10. caruso

    caruso Banned

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Long Island, NY
    A cellphone in 6" of visibility is a needle in a haystack and it's toast anyway can't imagine why someone would pay good money for a very slim chance to recover a useless item.

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